If they do make it, I hope they do more than just 3 areas. I found the fact that the game didn't bring me all around China a bit of a let down. Also, we saw a Dragon in a cinematic, yet ther were no fights with Dragons, that I was pretty dissapointed by.Ziggies

If Im recalling correctly there were alot more than 3 areas. Also the games set in mythical china not real china so it wouldnt make sense to visit real world locations. And the water dragon was a major part of the plot though it is true you cant fight a dragon in the game :|.

[QUOTE="bunkster"]

You couldnt take one dog and do that ofcourse, but thats not how evolution works. If you took dogs on a large scale and then went ahead with the training over very long periods of time than yes there would be a change on the genetic level.

Mr_sprinkles

Your confusing knowledge with intelligence. Knowing something is different from increasing cognitive ability.

[QUOTE="bunkster"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="bunkster"]

You misunderstand me, I know the difference between knowledge and intelligence. I was refering to the point that we would never have raised our intelligence from our ape ancestors if it wasnt possible to develop it as a species. The apes did it by working with tools and pushing their own intelligences to the limit for the sake of improved survival.

Mr_sprinkles

Evolution is nature. You're worrying about nurture.

Then a species would never become greater than the ones with the best genetics.

the neutral ones are free to accumilate until something useful/bad happens with them, and the detrimental ones are often removed from the gene pool because of the disadvantage it creates.

So yes, things will always be limited by the genes, but the genes will always be changing and mutating, eventually creating better genes. The increase in intelligence of apes is to do with the increase in size of their brains due to genetic mutations and alterations, and through the process of natural selection.

It was the increase in brain size that allowed greater capacity for using tools and solving problems. Not the other way round.

I admit that alot of this is true, mutation is a large factor in the evolutionary process. Still, mutation only works if combined with natural selection...if the mutation isnt useful enough to cause an increase in survival rate than the mutation will just die out. So your telling me things like skin pigmentation are necessary for our survival?

Interaction with the enviroment can also bring about evolutionary change.

[QUOTE="bunkster"][QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="bunkster"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="bunkster"]

You misunderstand me, I know the difference between knowledge and intelligence. I was refering to the point that we would never have raised our intelligence from our ape ancestors if it wasnt possible to develop it as a species. The apes did it by working with tools and pushing their own intelligences to the limit for the sake of improved survival.

xaos

Evolution is nature. You're worrying about nurture.

Then a species would never become greater than the ones with the best genetics. Thats nonsense, its well documented that species can change due to individual tendencies over long periods of time and in great numbers, the question being asked here is intelligence also able to be changed? And I only have to look at our ape ancestors in order to answer that question.

Im talking about speciation. You know, human intelligence > ape intelligence(supposedly).

You couldnt take one dog and do that ofcourse, but thats not how evolution works. If you took dogs on a large scale and then went ahead with the training over very long periods of time than yes there would be a change on the genetic level.

[QUOTE="bunkster"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="bunkster"]

You misunderstand me, I know the difference between knowledge and intelligence. I was refering to the point that we would never have raised our intelligence from our ape ancestors if it wasnt possible to develop it as a species. The apes did it by working with tools and pushing their own intelligences to the limit for the sake of improved survival.

xaos

Evolution is nature. You're worrying about nurture.

Then a species would never become greater than the ones with the best genetics. Thats nonsense, its well documented that species can change due to individual tendencies over long periods of time and in great numbers, the question being asked here is intelligence also able to be changed? And I only have to look at our ape ancestors in order to answer that question.

Im talking about speciation. You know, human intelligence > ape intelligence(supposedly).

[QUOTE="bunkster"][QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="bunkster"]

You misunderstand me, I know the difference between knowledge and intelligence. I was refering to the point that we would never have raised our intelligence from our ape ancestors if it wasnt possible to develop it as a species. The apes did it by working with tools and pushing their own intelligences to the limit for the sake of improved survival.

xaos

The only reference I need is that the jumps in intelligence between species happen. This proves that it is possible. As for the cause, Ive read alot of speculation that states that the apes pushing their intelligence by using tools is the cause for the jump to human intelligence.... this cant be proven yet but it makes alot of sense.

Well eventually there may be. Intelligence on our level is a probably somewhat of a miracle though, if we knew whether there was intelligent life in other parts of the universe or not then we could figure out just how rare it is.

[QUOTE="bunkster"]

You misunderstand me, I know the difference between knowledge and intelligence. I was refering to the point that we would never have raised our intelligence from our ape ancestors if it wasnt possible to develop it as a species. The apes did it by working with tools and pushing their own intelligences to the limit for the sake of improved survival.

Mr_sprinkles

Evolution is nature. You're worrying about nurture.

Then a species would never become greater than the ones with the best genetics. Thats nonsense, its well documented that species can change due to individual tendencies over long periods of time and in great numbers, the question being asked here is intelligence also able to be changed? And I only have to look at our ape ancestors in order to answer that question.