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#1 comicdude23
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and other gaming conventions? Booth Babes often appear in most Gaming conventions, although there is opposition to it.

On one hand, I'll just admit --- they're very hot. Most guys don't really complain, and besides Booth Babes are present at most events, which can be at Comic conventions, Sci-Fi, etc. Also, some Booth Babes are accurate character representations.

On the other hand, it is quite exploitative to the consumer to advertise sex appeal at a convention, and it sort of does detract from the Gaming aspect.

Based on the conventions I've been to, I've never seen complaints. But, opposition does exist. What are your thoughts on it, GameSpot?

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@toast_burner said:

@harisinghnalwa said:

@toast_burner: Gamer-Gate's primary goal is about ethics in video games journalism, but the underlying tone is the culture war; a lot of people in Gamer-Gate are fine with Feminism, but they detest it when third-wave Feminist bloggers come in and smear video-gamers as terrorists and 'misogynists'. Essentially, Social Justice Warriors have come into different mediums and enforced politically correct thinking, look at Atheism; it happened with Atheism Plus until the SJW's lost.

This Game-Spot article was very well received by those at the main Gamer-Gate sub-reddit, KotakuInAction. This article from 2009, argues against forcing political correctness into video games. http://www.gamespot.com/articles/gdc-2009-the-new-face-of-game-censorship/1100-6206796/

You say Gamer-Gate is equally as bad as the ********'s, I disagree completely. Aside from the actual charitable work produced by Gamer-Gate, a statistical analysis found that most threats and harassment came from anti-Gamer Gate.

I see a hell of a lot more people talking about gamergate is about ethics in journalism than I see people actually talking about ethics in journalism. Take a look through this thread, it's mostly people whining about how much they hate feminism with absolutely no discussion on ethics in journalism.

I already addressed the charitable work done by gamergate. Only a very small minority of people who identify as a part of gamergate have done any thing to support charities. Have you done anything for charity or are you like TLR where you just leech off over peoples contributions?

I understand that some members of gamergate are good, but why can't you accept that some are absolute scum? Same applies for feminists. Most are good people but some are scum. You can't say gamergate is good because some members do good things, but then ignore that some members do bad things.

If you go the main sub-reddit, KotakuInAction, the top post is an investigation which found a writer involved in more than 5 conflicts of interest:

http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2y732f/brandon_boyer_involved_in_5_more_conflicts_of/

As I covered in my response, the underlying tone of Gamer-Gate is the culture war. It's not against Feminism as an ideology, it's against the PC and radical versions which impose themselves into Gaming. It's an underlying tone --- the sites that haven't updated their policies, follow an ideology whereby they will insert identity politics. That's why they're attacking people who disagree with them so much as ''misogynistic'' and more harmful slander --- the root cause.

That's why KIA is approaching 30,000 subscribers, a lot of Gamers don't want SJW writers calling them horrible things on a weak foundation. I did donate to the organization, and if you read my Buzzfeed article, you'll see that I acknowledged that a minority of scum have used the hashtag, but that's the problem --- the vast majority of anti articles, willingly and knowingly slander GG based on the actions of a few. The majoirty of those in Gamer-Gate, are against harassment and the fact that the harassment is statistically very very very low is a testament to that.

Gamer-Gate's culture war isn't unique, it just took longer to reach Gaming. I suggest you read the Atheism Plus fiasco.

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#3  Edited By comicdude23
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@toast_burner: Gamer-Gate's primary goal is about ethics in video games journalism, but the underlying tone is the culture war; a lot of people in Gamer-Gate are fine with Feminism, but they detest it when third-wave Feminist bloggers come in and smear video-gamers as terrorists and 'misogynists'. It's not about opposing views, it's about imposing those views into gaming.

This culture war isn't unique to gaming, it's happening in comics, atheism, sci-fi, etc. Essentially, Social Justice Warriors have come into different mediums and enforced politically correct thinking, look at Atheism; it happened with Atheism Plus until the SJW's lost.

Please take the time to watch both of my videos.

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This Game-Spot article was very well received by those at the main Gamer-Gate sub-reddit, KotakuInAction. This article from 2009, argues against forcing political correctness into video games.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/gdc-2009-the-new-face-of-game-censorship/1100-6206796

You say Gamer-Gate is equally as bad as the ********'s, I disagree completely. Aside from the actual charitable work produced by Gamer-Gate, a statistical analysis found that most threats and harassment came from anti-Gamer Gate.

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#4  Edited By comicdude23
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@The_Last_Ride:

I've been mass flagged

I'm not sure why people feel compelled to do this. Aside from Gamer-Gate's achievements in getting sites to update ethics; they also helped raise $60,000 for The Fine Young Capitalists, an organisation aiming to help women in the industry and also helped Mercedes Carrera's charity.

All of this is commendable yet it simply isn't acknowledged, why?; and as I wrote in my article, those who seem to judge GG as a ''terrorist hate group'' are very keen to use the minority 3rd party trolls (who can hijack any hashtag) to represent the majority; aka bigoted thinking.

For those who haven't read my article: http://www.buzzfeed.com/thefreethinker/no-gamergate-is-not-a-hate-group-1cmjl

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@The_Last_Ride: This picture is useful.

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@Gue1: I'm new to the forums, are you sure it was 'overthrown' by SJW's? Most of the games that aren't PC (politically correct) and popular are represented here just fine. That's a great article on how political correctness could destroy gaming though.

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@The_Last_Ride: The people who compare Gamer-Gate to hate groups simply want a story to make themselves feel good. I always judge by evidence and rationality; and those who accuse Gamer-Gate of being a hate group are using a minority 3rd party trolls to represent the majority, which is by definition, bigoted thinking.

Gamer-Gaters can get defensive, I must admit --- but it's only because there's a new article released every day telling us of how we're all evil people and that we are a waste of space.

Nice avatar by the way, I loved TDKR

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http://www.gamespot.com/articles/gdc-2009-the-new-face-of-game-censorship/1100-6206796/

That's an old gem; yet still very relevant.

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#9  Edited By comicdude23
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@Pedro said:

@toast_burner said:

No I'm not ok with that. But what i'm also not ok with is people pretending that someone said that in order to use minorities as an excuse for you to attack someone you don't like. Tim Schafer didn't attack women or minorities, you're pretending he did so that you can use minorities as a shield while you attack him for criticising gamergate.

You're really far from the truth. I told you I don't like SJWs that includes you and Brianna Wu, in my eyes you're both just two sides of the same coin.

If I remember to whole #notyourshield nonsense correctly, it is truly hilarious that GG is now using these people as shield. Pretty funny stuff.

NotYourShield is not a shield, that is completely missing the point and objectifying a group of minorities/females. Gamer-Gate is not a sentient being; it's a leaderless hashtag movement. When someone (like myself) uses the term 'NotYourShield', we are not deflecting criticism, we are directly tackling it.

As an ethnic minority, Anti-Gamer Gate and SJW's cannot use me as a shield for their warped agenda. These so-called ''fighters of progressiveness'' (SJW's) often happen to be white males (which is odd, because they claim their side is the diverse one).

No SJW will use me for their cause.

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Gamer-Gater here. I wrote an article on why I think it's faulty to call Gamer-Gate a bigoted movement.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/thefreethinker/no-gamergate-is-not-a-hate-group-1cmjl

You may have heard of the term ‘Gamer-Gate’; it’s a consumer revolt which has been slandered as misogynistic, its aim is to improve ethics in video games journalism. To its credit, after six months it’s made considerable gains (and is growing by the day).

From getting The Escapist, The Destructoid, IGN, The Verge and PC Gamer to all update their ethics and disclosure policies; to helping to raise more than $50,000 for TheFineYoungCapitalists (an organization with the aim of supporting work by underrepresented labor in the media industry) to getting advertisers to pull out of unethical sites (to the point of costing Gawker into the seven figures).

And yet, GamerGate is labelled as ”an evil white male” misogynistic movement?

Wait. The same consumer revolt which raised thousands of dollars to help women in the industry is against women?

Huh?

The same consumer revolt which seen from the hashtag #NotYourShield, compromised of a vast range of ethnic minorities and females advocating their support for GamerGate’s goal of ethical reform is against women and solely exists on the basis of prohibiting ethnic diversity?

Huh?

Yeah, you read that right. Despite a good chunk of the consumer revolt consisting of ethnic minorities (ironically, moreso than those who oppose the revolt) and females, it’s somehow labeled as a hate group against the very group of people the consumer revolt consists of! —- which is is an utterly unfortunate betrayal of rationality and reason.

Being Indian myself, I’ve frustratingly been met with the claim that I’m an evil white racist misogynist for associating with a ”hate group” —- the claim that GamerGate is a hate group mostly comes from the fact that several notable females have received threats, but that’s the deal with a hashtag movement. Anyone (e.g. third party troll) can send a hateful message and attach a hashtag to it on Twitter; for Gamer-Gate atleast, the harassment is actually a fringe minority coming from the hashtag.

If one is going to judge it to be a hategroup, surely it is a remarkable piece of illogic to use a minority to represent the majority of the movement? (judging an entire group based on the actions of a few is what leads to, by definition bigoted thinking). Or if you’re trying to gauge the movement, atleast use something morerepresentative.

Such as the sub-reddit KotakuInAction, the main hub of GamerGate which not only roundly condemns harassment in it’s official site rules but has a subscriber total of around roughly 28,500 (and it’s only rising). Surely, that is more representative of the revolt, no?

It is completely illogical, irrational and faulty to assume it is a hate-movement. But then again, are we to expect rationality on the Internet?

The reason that you’ve probably not heard of this is because of the lack of media acknowledgement of it; with them instead opting to give professional victims such as Brianna Wu and Anita Sarkeesian a platform to police what Gamers should and shouldn’t do. Brianna Wu, a known liar who sent threats to herself and Anita Sarkeesian, a third-wave Feminist who claimed to have gamed since the age of 5, only to then being found to admitted that she has never cared for Gaming.

Hell, if we focus on the topic of harassment, shall we not point to the fact (and to no surprise, gained no coverage) of the pro-Gamer Gaters who actually received harassment on social media?

Such threats as seen in the link from the Anti-Gamer Gate crew literally call for the genocide of all Gamers and those who support GamerGate. Though who oppose Gamer Gate may protest that ”they are not a group/movement” —- yet the woman they report so much on, outright said that Anti-Gamer Gate is a movement?

I have myself, witnessed several of my friends (who could be considered ethnic minorities) face harassment and doxxing for simply daring to associate themselves with GamerGate.

Here we have, an Anti-Gamer Gate movement, which evidently has dished out far more harassment. Shall we lump all those that oppose Gamer-Gate has abusive people based on the statistic? Or, is that a generalization?

I write this not to appeal to the gaming press; they know they’re in the wrong, and they’ve cast their own narrative (which is beginning to fall apart). I do not write this to even appeal to the radical Social Justice Warriors who align themselves against Gamer-Gate, as they are simply not interested in what they claim to fight for (they only care about minorities and women who agree with the narrative, they’re not interested in the facts).

I write this to appeal to neutrals; those who may be anti-Gamer Gate but have doubts. Do you honestly believe GamerGate is against the very group of people it consists of? Does disliking ultra-third wave politically correct Feminists make you a ”misogynist”? I think not.