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#1 desmondsultanas
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[quote="Destructoid"]Based on my hands-on time with the game, I am giving my impressions of Wii Sports Resort an 8.5.*

*This is a ridiculous scoring system and has nothing to do with the final game. I just thought it would be fun to score all the games I play this week based on my hands-on time with them all.STRETCH-E

So he played 10 minutes at an E3 booth and gave it a fake 8.5 review score?

It's based on his initial impression of the game.

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#2 desmondsultanas
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I seriously doubt we wont see new consoles until 2015. I take comments like that as a grain of salt.

PS. Sega doesn't even com close to having the resources anymore to support their own console.

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#3 desmondsultanas
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I still say there is no way to predict next gen. I mean, logically, it does seem the TC has a good point about the non-gamers, casuals, hardcore, and how Nintendo could come armed next gen to appeal to all 3. But the market is very unpredictable. And there IS NO Loyalty whatsoever in this industry. N64 proved that. People who had played NES and SNES went to PS1. Now why is that? N64 sold not nearly as well as SNES from day one. Nobody knew what type of games PS1 would have when it first released, yet was a huge hit anyway.

Does it just have to do with change and nothing else? Were people saying "well PS1 has teh CD and teh N64 still has cartridges. PS1 wins!". If it really is that black and white, then this is the reason Wii has won this gen. They changed up the way games are controlled drastically, while PS3 and 360 did not. So, going by only that, if Wii 2 comes out with no new innovations, and PS4 and 720 come out with motion controls that are "better" than Wii (or a new way of controlling altogether that appeals to many people), then Nintendo could fall to last place once again.

There are arguments for why Nintendo could come out on top next gen or fall back to 3rd place next gen. I can see it both ways, but it is still not possible to predict what will happen.

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During the N64 era, Nintendo's philosophy was different that it is now, in that the big games released for the console, Nintendo's core franchises (ie; SM64 and Oot) appealed to same depographic that the PS1's franchises appealed to, core gamers. Only PS1 came armed with many more of these big core franchises as the third parties who previously supported the SNES (ie; sqaure and FF) moved on to PS due to the change in format. Nintendo has changed their philosophy with the Wii and DS, and the market at large with the Wii so the two cannnot be compare. On top of having the same core franchises they always had, they have a number of huge bridge franchises that they have built in this genration that appeal to consumers of all varieties... hence the ace up the sleever I was reffering to.

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#4 desmondsultanas
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[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

We constantly hear about how motion control is a plague upon gaming and how catering to casuals is ruining everything and etc. I'm probably going to get flamed for saying this, but I find those sentiments to be rather short-sighted.Thunderdrone

You are being too kind to the manbabies of the industry, the word is not "short-sighted", its "stupid", "embarresing", "imature" and all other variations of these. I cant wait to see the so called journalists embrace this direction once their darling systems push their motion controls out of the door.

Gaming Press = FANBOYS

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[QUOTE="desmondsultanas"]

[QUOTE="Pangster007"]Pangster007

The only successful franchises from 3rd parties that appeal to the huge non-gamer, gamer, and casual demographicsis the Guitar Hero and Rockband franchises..... and third parties have no porblems putting those games on Nintendo consoles.

Which just solidifies my point further; people buying into Guitar Hero and Rockband aren't buying it for the visuals but for the type of experience it provides - the publishers and developers themselves know that.

Re-reading your post I agree with it yes.

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#6 desmondsultanas
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Ewww if i had a Wii i won't even take this game for free lol. The one who reviwed this game is prob a soccer mom!Syferonik
Soccer mom? Destructoid is as hardcore as it gets.

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http://www.gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=84868

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#8 desmondsultanas
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nintendo will never win over the hardcore, they're just not big enough. sony or microsoft are allowed to dump 5 billion dollars into developing a console, because even if they only make 4 back, they're so huge it'll hardly show in their bank account. ninty can't do something like that, and doesn't have the stuff to develop their own chips or much of anything besides the casing, so they'll never have a real hardcore console.

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As proven this generation, the hardcore are not nearly enough to win a console war. Nintendo has their group of 20 million or so hardcore gamers (Nintendo fanboys) that will stay loyal until they die.... all the rest of Wii's sales are coming from the much larger non-gamer and casaul demographic.

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#9 desmondsultanas
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To the TC...Nintendo went into the N64 era having won the NES and SNES console gens. They went into N64 with established franchises from SNES era, including PilotWings, F-Zero. N64 got crushed by PS1. So, by your logic, Nintendo with new established franchises this gen like Wii Fit and Wii Sports are going to win next gen because of the fanbase. Didn't work from SNES to N64 though...

Basically, there is no way to predict this industry. NO ONE EVER thought Wii stood a chance. No one on system wars as well as most analysts. Predicting who will win next gen is impossible.

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Games like SM64 and Zelda OOT are the mainline Zelda and Mario series. Nintendo still has these games and releases them in the form of TTP and Galaxy on the Wii, but these appeal mostly to Nintendo's core audience are not the franchises that won this console war for Nintendo. Nintendo won this console war with the huge franchises that appeal to the non gamer, core gamer, and casual gamer. Nintendo will come armed with both into next gen.

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#10 desmondsultanas
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I think you're missing some other points too. Almost every 3rd party publisher/developers had lost faith in Nintendo which started from consecutive commercial failures of both N64 and the Gamecube. You could easily argue that it is this reason alone that Nintendo has gone the route of the Wii. Optimism and high expectations, the 2 things Nintendo has earned from 3rd parties in this generation. The generation winner or the one who is expected to perform the best goes into the next generation with the best advantages thus spurring support for that platform. If Nintendo had upped the perfomance of the Wii to almost equivalent to the 360/PS3, we'd have seen every multiplat game come to it - but it isn't. And this is the thing that is holding the current platform back despite the substantial lead. If Nintendo played their cards right next generation, every high profile multiplat franchises would be on it (that isn't a spin-off), like Assassin's Creed, GTA, mainline Resident Evil, mainline Street Fighter, mainline Soul Calibur etc. What Nintendo has achieved with the Wii is allow them that opportunity to compete with MUCH better 3rd party support on their next console. The past events has shown how the industry is being shaped. All 3 console makers are looking into motion-based gaming which would be the unpredictable aspect of next-gen. This is where your points become more relevant, such as existing experience, existing company image, motion-based game franchises, these would help Nintendo market themselves ahead of their rivals who are playing catch-up. Nothing is for certain, but indicators are pointing towards an extremely good Nintendo next-gen.Pangster007
The only successful franchises from 3rd parties that appeal to the huge non-gamer, gamer, and casual demographicsis the Guitar Hero and Rockband franchises..... and third parties have no porblems putting those games on Nintendo consoles.