[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="VanDammFan"]

PCgamers have to have mods for their "bragging rights" and to keep their dying pcgames alive. Let them be....let them be...

VanDammFan

Ironically this thread has nothing to do with "bragging" and the sad thing is I'm coming to expect this ignorance from you everytime you open your mouth.

Ironically, pcfanboys that continually try and disrespect consoles as worthless outdated trash get on my nerves so any time I see a thread I feel I need to buttinto...I will. Regardless of me getting warnings and punished by the moderators.

PCs are great..YES we all know this. Its nothing new. BUT nothing about them makes my gaming experience better than any of my 18 "yes 18" consoles. I realize this is SW...nothing you or I say will change the fact this place is for nothing more than arguing...

I feel your pain. PC elitists should be curb stomped. Seriously. But dont go into random threads and derail them.

Its called Black Mesa source and it has Valves blessing ....ColdfireTrilogy

Its also been delayed more times than GT5. I remember it was set to release November of last year then it was delayed and everyone was hoping for a Christmas release. Another year has gone by.

[QUOTE="erglesmergle"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Because there is more to it then just models and textures? Firstly is artwork, story, plot line, level design, weapons, gameplay design..

hypoty

Didnt know that. Ive never heard of publishers stopping a mod until today so I didnt think they were allowed to. And seeing mods like Black Mesa and Golden Eye Source which are complete remakes furthered that assumption.

A person is free to make a mod based on a copyright source material, until the copyright holder tells them to stop. Recently Gearbox (who owns the Duke Nukem copyright) allowed a Duke Nukem 3D remake to be developed by fans of the game using the UE3. It's a gamble when modders use source content that isn't their own, at that stage it's down to how greedy and community focused the copyright holder is.

"Alright ive talked to someone I know thats becoming a lawyer and he told me this is what you have to do to not become a legal issue.

You must not charge for such game. You cannot make a profit off of it.
You cannot claim the graphics, Sounds, Etc as your own. You must credit the original authors.
You may not commercialize such game."

http://www.rpgmakervx.net/index.php?showtopic=10685

Could it be that Square was making empty threats? I also thought that as long as you dont sell the game or claim the content as yours, then it would all be good.

Nvm, some user goes on to say its different with IP and explains how.

I think Kinect will actually sell consoles in Japan.

Technically no. Maybe artistically because Crysis without mods looks terrible.

I have a hard time settling for anything less than 60 fps on PCs. On consoles I dont have a choice.

60hz isnt enough for me when playing shooters. 75hz is perfect. 60fps without v-sync is fine.

[QUOTE="erglesmergle"]

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"] Square has been know recently as a very greedy company, I wouldn't be surprised if Square never would allow permission. sSubZerOo

But why would they need Squares permission? The completely remade the game. Theyre not using any of the orignal models or textures. Was it the sounds? And doesnt fair use laws go into play here?

Because there is more to it then just models and textures? Firstly is artwork, story, plot line, level design, weapons, gameplay design..

Didnt know that. Ive never heard of publishers stopping a mod until today so I didnt think they were allowed to. And seeing mods like Black Mesa and Golden Eye Source which are complete remakes furthered that assumption.

[QUOTE="erglesmergle"]

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"] The Black Mesa team was given permission by Valve. The port of Oblivion to Cryengine 2 and System Shock 2 to id tech 4 were both stopped by the devs. Also Square stopped THIS from being released when they were about to finish (you're mad now). Here's another trailer.

SAGE_OF_FIRE

Do you know what the development team could have done so they wouldnt have needed Squares approval? What technically requires Squares permission? It sucks that such a nice mod was stopped.

But why would they need Squares permission? The completely remade the game. Theyre not using any of the orignal models or textures. Was it the sounds? And doesnt fair use laws go into play here?

[QUOTE="Ikuto_Tsukiyomi"]

[QUOTE="erglesmergle"]

Are you going by whats really illegal or what you think should be illegal? Theres a mod in the making called Black Mesa and its a remake of Half Life 1 using the Source engine. Valve hasnt done anything about it other than telling them not to use the name Half Life Source since HLS already exists.

So if thats possible, I dont think remaking a game on the same engine would be illegal.

SAGE_OF_FIRE

You can get permission to use said game engine to make a game. Example would be E.Y.E which is a full fps-rpg using the source engine, other then that, I assume Black Mesa is a high end mod. Thats my view on it at least.

Do you know what the development team could have done so they wouldnt have needed Squares approval? What technically requires Squares permission? It sucks that such a nice mod was stopped.

[QUOTE="erglesmergle"]

[QUOTE="IvanElk"] Yeah that is just copyright infringement. Mods themselves are not illegal until they utilize material that is deemed not free ware.hypoty

Are you going by whats really illegal or what you think should be illegal? Theres a mod in the making called Black Mesa and its a remake of Half Life 1 using the Source engine. Valve hasnt done anything about it other than telling them not to use the name Half Life Source since HLS already exists.

So if thats possible, I dont think remaking a game on the same engine would be illegal.

But why would somebody go to the effort of doing something so pointless? To play the mod you'll need Half-Life 2, so why not just play Half-Life 2? The closest thing to what you're talking about is the Cinematic mod, but that's not recreating Half-Life 2, it's just retexturing and remodelling it. I'm sure if someone was dead set on doing that then it'll be legal provided Valve is ok with it. They look at these things on a case-by-case basis.

Well almost every HL2 mod Ive played only required a Source game. Some games required a specific HL2 like EP2. I was thinking of it like this. Gamer buys TF2 which is a Source game. Modder remakes HL2 using Source engine. Gamer downloads and plays HL2 remake without actually buying HL2. Legal piracy because modding is legal.

But I guess if what others users are saying is true then this wouldnt work. And also to see the textures and models of something from a game, you need to own that game.