[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="tormentos"]Why would i like to chat with people not playing the same game i am,and get distracted or worst not communicate with my team mate and cost them the game.Heirren

My primary online game is Halo Reach, and I agree with him, Party chat is actually a hindrance to online gaming. Party chat is closer to a negative than a positive.

I can imagine that it would be a hindrence when you are playing a team bases online game. But when playing offline games or say individual online games it is very usefull.

@ tormentos

I'm curious, do you even own a Xbox360 ?

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

Of course he knows the renting space costs, maintenance costs, all the employee overhead including the benefits, the actual cost of the servers themselves, the marketing costs, the royalty fees, and all the international related fees, international marketing costs, server locations, and then the costs associated with securing deals like YouTube, ESPN, the Television, and all the contracts,ect.

Who doesn't know all this? :]

shinrabanshou

Value is subjective and to one person being gouged is to another good value, but people really shouldn't kid themselves into thinking that the particular price being paid is necessary to run the service, when in reality it's mostly profit.

I know that we pay more than is neccesary, but this is true about all product/services. When you pay your intenet provider they also charge more than is neccesary for their service. Same with your tv/mobile phone/etc provider. And when you buy a beer you also pay different taxes and the profit margin. Every company wants to make a profit, that's just how it works.

[QUOTE="slvrraven9"] PLUS we too got compensated with free games......well...A free game! but for sketchy and not completely out service, i was prefectly fine with it!tormentos

First off all, let me say that your posts are barely readably Tormentos. Stick with 1 point at a time instead of mixing up lots of (flawed) arguments.

Back to your argument of Xbox live being down for most players. This was defenitely not the case, since nobody in my country had any problems signing into Xbox live period. I won't deny that Xbox live have had some slight problems in the early life of the Xbox360, but they were all dealt with quickly and now the service runs smoothly. Not the same can be said about the PSN wich also had problems in the beginning, but still has them now (just look at the major security breach wich caused them to close down the service for over a month).

MS also had problems with hacked accounts, but these were only a few, not the entire userbase of the platform. And as i said, these problems only occured during the early launch period of the platform.

The only thing you've been correct in (out of all your posts), is the early fail rate of the Xbox360. But MS handled that problem very well. They increased the warrenty by as much as 3 years and most times you got your repeared Xbox360 back within a week. I've had the red rings of death 2 times and both times i had my Xbox back very soon, and the 2nd time i even got the new version instead of my old one. How's that for service.

Before you go saying that i'm a Microsoft/Xbox360 fanboy or something, i own all systems and while i also like to play on my PS3, when it comes to playing games online i'll stick with the Xbox360 for it's better functionality and smooth running.

Now i'd wish that you'd stop posting flawed argument in this topic just cause you don't want to admit that you are wrong. If you want to have buggy online play on your PS3 than that's your choice. For me Sony will have to improve their service a lot on their next console to convince me to trade in XBL.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]I don't care what you excuses are, PSN doesn't have Cross game chat or Party chat therefore their feature set isn't the same.What the PS4 is "going" to have doesn't concern me as nobody knows what the consoles capabilites will be. For all we know, it will be PSN EXACTLY how it is right now. Sony has proved that they really don't have a firm grasp on how an online service should be run. It's been a disaster for them so far. So no, I don't have much confidence in them, hopefully they've will have learned something from all of this, but at this point, I don't care about guesses.tormentos

Lol, i don't know where you've been the last 3 years but almost all cross platform games run way better online on the Xbox360 (If they run at all on the PS3). Also compared to the PS3 the Xbox 360 games have a way larger active player base. And why are you talking about consoles that haven't even come out yet(PS Vita). Nobody knows how that service is going to work yet, so how can it be better. Haha, your digging your own grave here mate.