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#1 erwingameon
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[QUOTE="Tykain"]Even though the quality of FF games has dropped in recent years, i haven't been interested in a Zelda game since OoT, so to me FF > Zelda. Maybe if Nintendo would make an action RPG with new characters, story etc it would get my interest. Zelda has been too much milked as far as i'm concerned, i just grew bored of it. The FF series has had a lot of games, but at least it's always a completely different setting, story, characters, different game mechanics etc that kept it fresh to me. Same dev, is under the same name, same genre, but completely different games aside from a few recurrent elements.hakanakumono

Zelda to much milked. Lol unlike FF wich is only one of the most milked out franchises in gaming history. FF always completely different setting, story, characters, game mechanics. No more so than the Zelda series. But let's go into those points shall we.

(SETTING) Both FF and Zelda have different settings for their games. Not counting direct sequals.

(STORY) Both FF and Zelda's stories are different in each game.

(CHARACTERS) Only Link, Zelda and (sometimes) Ganondorf are alway's in the Zelda series and with such great characters who can blaim Nintendo for that. And while most of the time the characters in FF look and are named different their basic characteristics are mostly the same every time.

(GAME MECHANICS) Both Zelda and FF have almost the same game mechanics in their game every time. The difference is that using Zelda's game mechanics is actually fun, instead of FF wich is basicly just running around and pressing the same buttun over and over again to defeat the enemies you encounter.

So looking at all these points theres no way that you can say that FF is completely fresh every time and Zelda is not. You can have a personal preference but comments like yours are just a sign of fanboyism or ignorence.

Are you seriously trying to argue that Final Fantasy games are as similar as Zelda games? How absurd. Final Fantasy is one of the most diverse series in existence, while Zelda is quite the opposite. You're not fooling anybody; we've played these games too you know.

FF diverse, don't make me laugh. If you've really played the FF games you'd know how ludicroud this post of yours really is. Zelda might not be diverse but neither is FF. I'm only using facts in my posts so why don't u do the same instead of posting these fanboy comments.

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#2 erwingameon
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Even though the quality of FF games has dropped in recent years, i haven't been interested in a Zelda game since OoT, so to me FF > Zelda. Maybe if Nintendo would make an action RPG with new characters, story etc it would get my interest. Zelda has been too much milked as far as i'm concerned, i just grew bored of it. The FF series has had a lot of games, but at least it's always a completely different setting, story, characters, different game mechanics etc that kept it fresh to me. Same dev, is under the same name, same genre, but completely different games aside from a few recurrent elements.Tykain

Zelda to much milked. Lol unlike FF wich is only one of the most milked out franchises in gaming history. FF always completely different setting, story, characters, game mechanics. No more so than the Zelda series. But let's go into those points shall we.

(SETTING) Both FF and Zelda have different settings for their games. Not counting direct sequals.

(STORY) Both FF and Zelda's stories are different in each game.

(CHARACTERS) Only Link, Zelda and (sometimes) Ganondorf are alway's in the Zelda series and with such great characters who can blaim Nintendo for that. And while most of the time the characters in FF look and are named different their basic characteristics are mostly the same every time.

(GAME MECHANICS) Both Zelda and FF have almost the same game mechanics in their game every time. The difference is that using Zelda's game mechanics is actually fun, instead of FF wich is basicly just running around and pressing the same buttun over and over again to defeat the enemies you encounter.

So looking at all these points theres no way that you can say that FF is completely fresh every time and Zelda is not. You can have a personal preference but comments like yours are just a sign of fanboyism or ignorence.

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#3 erwingameon
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[QUOTE="minh800"]

The boat was useless, the fairy - annoying. Remember how I already laughed at you for claiming intellectual superiority because you get puzzle games - that. It's a skill - not intelligence. Puzzles can be solved in a variety of ways it just depends on how your brain is wired. Some people are very adept at using spatial manipulation so certain puzzles are easier for them - it has nothing to with intelligence.

The main FF titles aren't action games. LoZ is an action-adventure game. The action portion is very poor. Good job proving nothing.

minh800

Your personal feelings about the hint system are completely besides the point as were talking about facts here. Fact is that there are hints in the Zelda games and just cause you can't figure them out you say they are useless or not there. That's pathetic on your part.

Lol, so your saying that someone with absolutely no intelligence can solve any puzzle. I don't know what planet you live on, but to solve a puzzle, no matter what kind or how difficult it is, you need some level of intelligence. And people with certain skills like you say also need to have intelligence to be able to have those skills and use them. It's only a matter of what level and what kind of intelligence people have. Even looking at a game puzzle on your tv and then deciding what button to press on your controller takes some degree of intelligence. If not then you wouldn't even be able to play the game.

Haha, so only action games can have action in them. That statement of yours is downright laughable. But if you want to play it that way. The RPG portion of FF is crap, and seeing as FF is an RPG I guess that makes the entire FF games crap. Good job and thanks for proving yourself that FF sucks.

The boat didn't really help you. It was useless with solving puzzles.

No intelligence? They have to be able to comprehend situations. I wouldn't call that intelligence, though. It's a skill, it has nothing to do with intelligence. You have to be smart enough to function but that's about all there is to it.

Turn-based games aren't action packed. Soooorrrryyyy. Games that are in real time should have some action to them which usually makes them an action something game. The RPG portion is fine.

Haha, thanks for proving FF sucks? Because it's turn-based? Oh, wow, that definitely sucks oh right!

Again you use your personal feelings about the hint system and not the facts. (You have to be smart enough to function) In this sentence you proved my point. You can't be smart if you don't have intelligence. And the other claim you make (that being able to comprehend situations is not intelligence) is completely ludicrous. But if you want to be ignorent and delude yourself that's your choice.

No action in turn based games. Wow that makes them pretty boring then. Another reason you've given why FF is worse than Zelda. Thanks again.

And way to twist my words to suit your flawed arguments. Since i didn't say that FF sucks cause it's turn-based, but was merely following your own logic that cause FF is an RPG and the RPG portion of the games is crap the entire games are crap. Actually i haven't used the term turn-based in any of my posts so i don't know how you can even respond to something i haven't mentioned period.

I look forward to reading more of your flawed arguments and twisted quotes in another of your failed attemps to prove your point.

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#4 erwingameon
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[QUOTE="minh800"]

OoT, WW, TP, Oracles of Seasons/Ages, The Minish Cap, A link to the past, Phantom Hourglass, and Spirit Tracks are the LoZ games I've played. Little variety. A lot of enemies that are just color coded differently like the darknuts. Some of the puzzles are downright cheap. I'm not the only one who found many of them frustrating. While the game shouldn't hold your hand, at least like Portal 2, there should be some hints, clues, or guidance. Puzzles have to do with intelligence? No, sir, they do not. But I'm glad you feel the need to put yourself on an intellectual pedestal because you think so. Cudos, chap.

You pretty much explained every enemy fight in LoZ. The action part of the game is just laughable.

minh800

Actually there are hints in Zelda. Wasn't there a fairy in OoT constantly telling where to go next and what to do. And I believe there was a dragon boat in Wind Waker that did the same. Plenty of help right there. But if that wasn't already enough for you, there are alway gamefaqs you can consult if you get stuck. But maybe you might want to consider playing all your games with a walkthough next to you since you don't want to use intelligence to solve things and want help every step of the way.

And puzzles do have to do with some level of intelligence. If it take no intelligence at all to solve them then i don't even see the need to put them in a game. Puzzles have to do with solving thing, and for solving things you need intellingence. So saying puzzle solving doesn't have to do with intelligence is downright stupid.

Lol, if i understand you correctly you also think the action in FF is laughable since it's the same as Zelda according to you. Glad we got that settled. Actually I think there isn't even any action to speak of in FF since i can walk away from my TV with the controller, go to another room and still defeat the enemies using a single button.

The boat was useless, the fairy - annoying. Remember how I already laughed at you for claiming intellectual superiority because you get puzzle games - that. It's a skill - not intelligence. Puzzles can be solved in a variety of ways it just depends on how your brain is wired. Some people are very adept at using spatial manipulation so certain puzzles are easier for them - it has nothing to with intelligence.

The main FF titles aren't action games. LoZ is an action-adventure game. The action portion is very poor. Good job proving nothing.

Your personal feelings about the hint system are completely besides the point as were talking about facts here. Fact is that there are hints in the Zelda games and just cause you can't figure them out you say they are useless or not there. That's pathetic on your part.

Lol, so your saying that someone with absolutely no intelligence can solve any puzzle. I don't know what planet you live on, but to solve a puzzle, no matter what kind or how difficult it is, you need some level of intelligence. And people with certain skills like you say also need to have intelligence to be able to have those skills and use them. It's only a matter of what level and what kind of intelligence people have. Even looking at a game puzzle on your tv and then deciding what button to press on your controller takes some degree of intelligence. If not then you wouldn't even be able to play the game.

Haha, so only action games can have action in them. That statement of yours is downright laughable. But if you want to play it that way. The RPG portion of FF is crap, and seeing as FF is an RPG I guess that makes the entire FF games crap. Good job and thanks for proving yourself that FF sucks.

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#5 erwingameon
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Haha, there's not much variety with enemies in LoZ dungeons (and you can kill most the same way), the combat is pretty boring and simple even when they tried to incorporate sword skills (i.e. the action part of LoZ is godawful), Link has no personality and the other characters are poorly developed, too many soundtracks are reused/repurposed in different games, and the games are very repetitive with the puzzles being boring and frustrating - there's little guidance in solving them.

If you're talking about CGI, I doubt you've played FF6.

minh800

Lol, sounds to me that you've never played a Zelda game before. And i've never had any trouble solving the puzzles in any Zelda game. And some puzzles are supposed to be diffucult. If the game already tells you what to do to solve them then what's the point of having puzzles anyway. Just cause your not smart enough to solve them doesn't mean they are not good.

And talk about boring and repetetive, FF13 is basicly just a button mashing game. All i had to do is run forward, encounter some enemies, and then just keep pressing the same buttons to defeat them. Yaaaawn.

OoT, WW, TP, Oracles of Seasons/Ages, The Minish Cap, A link to the past, Phantom Hourglass, and Spirit Tracks are the LoZ games I've played. Little variety. A lot of enemies that are just color coded differently like the darknuts. Some of the puzzles are downright cheap. I'm not the only one who found many of them frustrating. While the game shouldn't hold your hand, at least like Portal 2, there should be some hints, clues, or guidance. Puzzles have to do with intelligence? No, sir, they do not. But I'm glad you feel the need to put yourself on an intellectual pedestal because you think so. Cudos, chap.

You pretty much explained every enemy fight in LoZ. The action part of the game is just laughable.

Actually there are hints in Zelda. Wasn't there a fairy in OoT constantly telling where to go next and what to do. And I believe there was a dragon boat in Wind Waker that did the same. Plenty of help right there. But if that wasn't already enough for you, there are alway gamefaqs you can consult if you get stuck. But maybe you might want to consider playing all your games with a walkthough next to you since you don't want to use intelligence to solve things and want help every step of the way.

And puzzles do have to do with some level of intelligence. If it take no intelligence at all to solve them then i don't even see the need to put them in a game. Puzzles have to do with solving thing, and for solving things you need intellingence. So saying puzzle solving doesn't have to do with intelligence is downright stupid.

Lol, if i understand you correctly you also think the action in FF is laughable since it's the same as Zelda according to you. Glad we got that settled. Actually I think there isn't even any action to speak of in FF since i can walk away from my TV with the controller, go to another room and still defeat the enemies using a single button.

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#6 erwingameon
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[QUOTE="minh800"]

Final Fantasy 6 vs Spirit Tracks poll?

I'd vote for FF6 over that bore fest.

minh800

That's your perogative, but i have yet to see a FF game that actually lives up to the hype. All the FF games i played had lame genaric characters, liniar level design, boring gameplay fighting the same random enemies over and over again. At least the CGI cutscenes look great in FF, but the rest is nothing special really.

Haha, there's not much variety with enemies in LoZ dungeons (and you can kill most the same way), the combat is pretty boring and simple even when they tried to incorporate sword skills (i.e. the action part of LoZ is godawful), Link has no personality and the other characters are poorly developed, too many soundtracks are reused/repurposed in different games, and the games are very repetitive with the puzzles being boring and frustrating - there's little guidance in solving them.

If you're talking about CGI, I doubt you've played FF6.

Lol, sounds to me that you've never played a Zelda game before. And i've never had any trouble solving the puzzles in any Zelda game. And some puzzles are supposed to be diffucult. If the game already tells you what to do to solve them then what's the point of having puzzles anyway. Just cause your not smart enough to solve them doesn't mean they are not good.

And talk about boring and repetetive, FF13 is basicly just a button mashing game. All i had to do is run forward, encounter some enemies, and then just keep pressing the same buttons to defeat them. Yaaaawn.

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Really, is there any competition here. The worst of Zelda wil be better than the best of FF any day. Don't get me wrong, FF has some good games but Zelda makes FF look like crap.

minh800

Final Fantasy 6 vs Spirit Tracks poll?

I'd vote for FF6 over that bore fest.

That's your perogative, but i have yet to see a FF game that actually lives up to the hype. All the FF games i played had lame genaric characters, liniar level design, boring gameplay fighting the same random enemies over and over again. At least the CGI cutscenes look great in FF, but the rest is nothing special really.

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Really, is there any competition here. The worst of Zelda wil be better than the best of FF any day. Don't get me wrong, FF has some good games but Zelda makes FF look like crap.

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#9 erwingameon
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I agree with all the guys saying that BF3 is going to be better, but to say that BF3 is a completely new experience is just plain wrong. If i'm not mistaken we have already seen 2 previous installments of BF wich are almost the same experience as the upcoming BF3.

So please no more BF3 is going to completely new, cause anyone saying that doesn't know what their talking about.

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#10 erwingameon
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It really depends on what type of shooter you like. If you want a realistic shooter then go with BF3. If you want a more arcade shooter then go for MW3. Personally i'm getting them both cause I like playing shooters and both games look like they are going to be good.

But if you want to make a more thoughtfull decision, I suggest you wait untill the games are released and see what the critics have to say about them and maybe rent them before buying.