It's actually a sign of a peoples/nation's development as well.

countries that are highly developed have a lot less kids.

This is the same for people of high class as well.

One of the most fundamental issues if female education. According to a U.N. report i read a couple weeks ago it accounts for up to 50% of the reason why child births decline.

Look at the world map. and no don't just point at those evil stinky Mooslim lands. look at Africa, look at the ghetto's of America, look at the large swathes of areas in South America, and the rural areas of (mainly) Hindu India. all have high birth rates, albeit with declining child mortality rates.

the better educated the women are, the faster the rise in quality of life will be, the less kids you'll see get born.

as far as Europe goes. from what i've been told of stories from friends who have lived in Europe (specifically, France, Germany, Italy, and England). I've heard the arguements on the television and here on teh forums about how Muslims are not joining into the society as well, or the fear of radicalization. I've also heard from friends who live there (i mean real life friends, and most of them are NOT Muslims) who tell me stories of just mere-AntiMuslim tendencies have towards their growing minority.

when the French Muslims riots broke out, i was reading reports from FRANCE, about third generation Muslims who had an engineering degree could not find work, and because France does not have nor believe in affirmative action, would rather hire Pierre then Abdullah. Abdullah can go back to the ghetto's and work at his dad's deli and work off that mountain of debt....

I don't know what it is, i hear Anti-Muslim rhetoric A LOT in America. and yet the everyday person, and even Muslim i meet in the Midwest, is generally happy with their quality of life and have no ill feelings towards America's people or lifestyle (few complaints here and there.. but your gonna find that from both sides of the fence). I hear mostly complaints of foreign policy, but nothing in the way that "we can only change this through violence" rather it's been grass roots efforts in the cities to bring their version of the story (their truth as it were) to people, to let them know the whole story.

There is something unique in that Europe, who'se history is being mostly homogenous people within their borders, is failing to adapt and adjust for a multi-cultural future that ALSO entails assimilation (it'll never be 100% - Germany and France will not be the same as they were in the 1940's - but they could get pretty close if they tried).

SaudiFury

yep, this makes sense :) there exists quite a bit of subtle racism within scandinavia, too (like norwegians not hiring or renting to people with foreign names etc..) but im pretty sure that its still one of the less racist regions in the world. i do however not see how not having a job leads to for example raping people..

here is another movie i found of muslims in europe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx4I4aR-baQ

it contains the quote "AFTER HAVING OVERCOME FACISM, NAZISM AND STALINISM, THE WORLD NOW FACES A NEW GLOBAL THREAT: ISLAMISM"

This means there will be less Norwegian Women. UNACCEPTABLE. Head_of_games

yeah.. this big muslim immigration marks the demise of the blondes :p

All I got from this thread is people need to make more babies; I believe I could lend my services. You're welcome.

Communist_Soul

Yea but the US is going through the samething but with Hispanics in the near future white Americans will be the minority. So i can see the relation and concern theat sweden has. out of a 1000 students 2 are swedish thats just sad.POPEYE1716

this isnt really true.. im sure the majority of europeans and americans would prefer massive immigration from south america than from the middle east, for obvious reasons.

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Kuwait has a less than average crime rate and its a Muslim country with over 3 million residents.

Religion is not the reason those countries are more involved in crime.

Immortal--

kuwait has less crime than norway? kuwait is an authoritarian country with very limited freedom of speech.. it also has certain elements of sharia laws implemented into its law system. i wouldnt trust criminal statistics released by the government of that country.

religion is the reason for a lot of violence and a ton of despicable acts in this world. if its not religion that is the reason for the behaviour found in many muslims, then it must be their culture, right? now, what has influenced the middle eastern culture for several thousand years? islam. in fact, islam basically is their culture, and like i mentioned before, it even completely dictates the laws of certain countries.

its only natural to think that muslims religious background is the reason for why they have a bigger tendency to commit crimes than people of other religious backgrounds, when this is the only seperating factor.. but perhaps you have some better suggestions?

Kuwait has a less than average crime rate and its a Muslim country with over 3 million residents.

Religion is not the reason those countries are more involved in crime.

Immortal--

kuwait has less crime than norway? kuwait is an authoritarian country with very limited freedom of speech.. it also has certain elements of sharia laws implemented into its law system. i wouldnt trust criminal statistics released by the government of that country.

religion is the reason for a lot of violence and a ton of despicable acts in this world. if its not religion that is the reason for the behaviour found in many muslims, then it must be their culture, right? now, what has influenced the middle eastern culture for several thousand years? islam. in fact, islam basically is their culture, and like i mentioned before, it even completely dictates the laws of certain countries.

its only natural to think that muslims religious background is the reason for why they have a bigger tendency to commit crimes than people of other religious backgrounds, when this is the only seperating factor.. but perhaps you have some better suggestions?

I never said that.. I said the United States is far more multi cultural then Germany.. Not all of Europe.

sSubZerOo

well, germany is quite close to the western european average when it comes to multiculturalness.. thats why i thought you might as well have been referring to all of europe.

No one said it was more multicultural than Europe, just that it is multicultural period.

worlock77

Furthermore the United States is a multicultural country.. Far more in fact then Germany.

sSubZerOo

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Uh huh.... This is ignoring the huge Amish, Jewish, Native American, Mormon, etc etc cultures communities acros the nation.. The United States is multi-cultural.. Even our mainstream culture is borrowed from numerous cultures in multiple areas..

sSubZerOo

like i said, the US is a multicultural country. what im saying is that its not necessarily that much more multicultural than europe, though more multi-ethnical.

I wouldn't say that those with a islamic background is more prone to crimeTreflis

statistics will actually prove you differently. people from islamic countries such as somalia, pakistan, iraq and gambia tend to be much more involved in crime than people from other countries in the third world, like vietnam and sri lanka. the only thing that seperates these two groups of people is their religion. coincidence? well, thats up to you to decide.. but to me, it does indeed seem very suspicious.

firstly, what dose their faith have to do with anything?

secondly, Norway itself has 4 milion people living in the country, its a huge country, yet Berlin itself has around 3.5 million people in it.

thirdly, as i heard on the news. There might be coming more immigrants to europe, but norway is getting less then the past years. Which is the reason people in the immigrant department are losing jobbs.

Half-Way

Actually, Norway recently passed the 4,9 million mark and due to the big immigration we will pass 5 million already in year 2012. most of the population is situated in the souther part of the country, and its much denser than one may think. if you remove unlivable area (like all our mountains), norway is actually just as densely populated as the european average.. i do however not see what this has to do with the subject.

There is a difference.. Between speaking language and forcing their beliefs and values on others.. Furthermore the United States is a multicultural country.. Far more in fact then Germany.

sSubZerOo

the US is a multicultura nation indeed.. i do however like to think of it more as "multi-ethnic".. in the US many people tend to be americans no matter what their ethnic background may me. youd be surprised if you went to europe, where every indian-looking person will actually be influenced by indian culture. few american cities can really compare with cities like london, paris and amsterdam when it comes to multiculturalness.