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#1 fartwrangler
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[QUOTE="fartwrangler"][QUOTE="Treflis"]You know, it's okay that your are against the nukes being used and all that, it's also okay if someone thinks it was what had to be done. While you may not like their opinion you should respect theirs. Lashing out like that doesn't contribute to the debate and if you can't debate in a proper and civil manner here then don't post at all.IAMTHEJOKER88

No. I am under no obligation to respect raving, bigoted fanatics like him. I lashed purely because it had become apparently that he was so irrational and blind that there was no possibility of rational discourse with him.

You don't have to respect him, just post in a respectable manner, or leave. You're no better than he is, why don't you lead by example. Wars are caused by hate.

It is a little ironic that you thought there was no possibility of rational discourse with him, when you effectively closed any rational debate yourself by flaming with vulgarities.

Au contraire, I'm much better than he is; he's a raving xenophobe, I'm not. I'm better. And if we're going to talk about who causes war, it's nationalistic bigots like him.
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#2 fartwrangler
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="fartwrangler"][QUOTE="Treflis"]You know, it's okay that your are against the nukes being used and all that, it's also okay if someone thinks it was what had to be done. While you may not like their opinion you should respect theirs. Lashing out like that doesn't contribute to the debate and if you can't debate in a proper and civil manner here then don't post at all.

No. I am under no obligation to respect raving, bigoted fanatics like him. I lashed purely because it had become apparently that he was so irrational and blind that there was no possibility of rational discourse with him.

He values the servicemen of his country more than individuals in other countries. That in no way makes him a bigot or irrational. And insults are not the best way to get a point across.

You think that 'I value American troops more because I'm American and a former troop' is perfectly rational? Alright. Presumably 'I value white men more than other demographics because I'm a white man' holds too?
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#3 fartwrangler
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[QUOTE="fartwrangler"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I'm not telling you anything personal....sorry to disappoint. But the fact of the matter is you made a generalized statement about ethics. And as we see in the world....and as I pointed out....they ARE subjective. And without a counterpoint you've tried to make this a personal assessment. But it's NOT about me or my beliefs but rather about the world at large. So unless you can provide me that all the world shares the same ethics....then I don't see a point to be made here.

LJS9502_basic

What is the relevance to the issue of moral objectivism/subjectivism of whether all the world has the same ethical beliefs?

Your statement made a generalization that something was unethical....so it was to YOUR point. Which was opinion...and not fact.

To which, as should be blindingly obvious, pointing out that people disagree over ethics is an irrelevance.

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#4 fartwrangler
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[QUOTE="Treflis"]You know, it's okay that your are against the nukes being used and all that, it's also okay if someone thinks it was what had to be done. While you may not like their opinion you should respect theirs. Lashing out like that doesn't contribute to the debate and if you can't debate in a proper and civil manner here then don't post at all.

No. I am under no obligation to respect raving, bigoted fanatics like him. I lashed purely because it had become apparently that he was so irrational and blind that there was no possibility of rational discourse with him.
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#5 fartwrangler
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[QUOTE="fartwrangler"]]I'm merely interested into how one can stray so far from the Church's policy and still call themself a Catholic. Next you'll be telling me you're not even a pederast!LJS9502_basic

I'm not telling you anything personal....sorry to disappoint. But the fact of the matter is you made a generalized statement about ethics. And as we see in the world....and as I pointed out....they ARE subjective. And without a counterpoint you've tried to make this a personal assessment. But it's NOT about me or my beliefs but rather about the world at large. So unless you can provide me that all the world shares the same ethics....then I don't see a point to be made here.

What is the relevance to the issue of moral objectivism/subjectivism of whether all the world has the same ethical beliefs?
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] Just because Einstein was revered as a genius doesn't make everything he says instantaneously correct..he was a pacifist...which would be a mentality that would work if every other nation shared such a mentality...and he is in no way a Xenophobe..i find it amazing how you could tag him as such because he values his fellow Americans..whom he knows...and who are fighting for him to keep his rights and freedoms..and to keep his country free..more then those of the people who would try and destroy it..he is not in any way showing "an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange."..

Einstein stated that there were certain situations in which he would support a war, if reluctantly. Oh, and I have no objections to people 'valuing their fellow Americans' - it's the "valuing their fellow Americans more than citizens of other countries who have just as much right to life as Americans do" bit I have a problem with. But sure, if you think that considering a single American soldier more valuable than 200,000 Japanese civilians is perfectly reasonable, than that's your prerogative.
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#7 fartwrangler
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Perhaps you need to differentiate a forum debate from personal faith.....just a thought.LJS9502_basic

Oh, so that's your justification for playing fast and loose with the doctrines your own religion. Very poor, I have to say.

Doctrines of my religion only provide a guideline as to what to do.....free will still exists. Nonetheless, this is not a religion debate. Thus I see no point in your fascination with my faith....or me actually.

I'm merely interested into how one can stray so far from the Church's policy and still call themself a Catholic. Next you'll be telling me you're not even a pederast!
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That's interesting, given the image of absolute truth the Catholic church likes to project; it considers relativism and the denial of absolute truth as a great danger to humanity in modern times. Perhaps you need to learn more about your own religion?LJS9502_basic
Perhaps you need to differentiate a forum debate from personal faith.....just a thought.

Oh, so that's your justification for playing fast and loose with the doctrines your own religion. Very poor, I have to say.

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#10 fartwrangler
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[QUOTE="fartwrangler"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I don't think I've mentioned my faith in the time you've posted here....at least not with this account name of yours.

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Which does not conclude the question of whether you are a) lying, in order to make your life easier in this thread or b) quite happy to disregard the Church wherever you feel like it. Pick one.

Neither. What one believes is subjective or we'd all believe the same. If someone doesn't believe war actions are unethical...and I'm not talking about war crimes here....then they are ethically justified. And most people DO believe that....

That's interesting, given the image of absolute truth the Catholic church likes to project; it considers relativism and the denial of absolute truth as a great danger to humanity in modern times. Perhaps you need to learn more about your own religion?