[QUOTE="whitetiger3521"]

[QUOTE="Grey_Eyed_Elf"]

Biggest flaw in Christianity...

• If Gods the creator of all, who made God?
• If everything is a part of "Gods plan" why do we get judged?

Grey_Eyed_Elf

God created time and doesn't need a beginning, God has always existed in eternity. You get judged because you are human, knowing good and evil.

EDIT: Doesn't the bible say:

"You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God..."

BUT

... At the same time say jelousy is a sin?

God doesn't sin. His jealousy is righteous. Our jealously is selfishand thus sinful.

I'm a third year Biomedical Engineering student. I might do orthopaedics or tissue engineering.

This is just one of too many flaws to count when it comes to Christianity.Messiahbolical-

[QUOTE="fbstar57"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Why does religion feel the need to threaten people? It's not enough to be a good person, you also have to accept the word of 'insert specific god here'.

tenaka2

That's not a threat. It's completely your choice. This was just a simple illustration to show that God isn't straight up sending people to Hell. If you're a good person that's great. This world needs more good people. If you don't choose to follow Jesus that's just simply your choice. I'm not going to attack you if you don't believe. I wish that all would believe but that definitely will never happen. Christians are supposed to love people which is something that I wish they would do more. So whether you believe or not it would be awesome if you just did your best to be a good person and people should love you either way. But if you have any questions be sure to ask.

You left out the bit that good person or not I shall spend eternity in the fires of hell.

Unfortunately the Bible does teach that all are on a path towards Hell. But it also teaches that there is a way to escape that by acknowledging that you're not perfect and accepting that Jesus sacrificed himself for you and died on the cross and rose again conquering death and allowing all to go to Heaven. And bye all I literally mean all. You don't need to live a perfect life. Nobody is perfect. If you're a homosexual you don't automatically go to Hell. If you're a liar you don't automatically go to Hell. If you have sex or get drunk or any other thing that you hear usually preached that are supposedly horrible one way ticket to Hell things don't sent you straight to Hell. The Bible isn't meant to be a fire and brimstone message. It's meant to be about faith, hope, and love. Accepting Jesus is a choice. It's not forced on you and you don't have to accept Him. But Jesus makes it possible to completely avoid Hell.

[QUOTE="fbstar57"]

God doesn't send people to Hell. Our sinful nature is what leads us to Hell. Basically Hell is our default setting.

Imagine that you are floating on a log going down a river and there is a waterfall at the end that will lead to certain death. God is on the shore of the river and throws you a rope. The rope is a metaphor for Jesus. You have a choice. You can grab and accept the rope and be pulled to safety or you can continue to drift down the river over the waterfall. It's your choice. God isn't pushing you over the waterfall.

tenaka2

Why does religion feel the need to threaten people? It's not enough to be a good person, you also have to accept the word of 'insert specific god here'.

That's not a threat. It's completely your choice. This was just a simple illustration to show that God isn't straight up sending people to Hell. If you're a good person that's great. This world needs more good people. If you don't choose to follow Jesus that's just simply your choice. I'm not going to attack you if you don't believe. I wish that all would believe but that definitely will never happen. Christians are supposed to love people which is something that I wish they would do more. So whether you believe or not it would be awesome if you just did your best to be a good person and people should love you either way. But if you have any questions be sure to ask.

God doesn't send people to Hell. Our sinful nature is what leads us to Hell. Basically Hell is our default setting.

Imagine that you are floating on a log going down a river and there is a waterfall at the end that will lead to certain death. God is on the shore of the river and throws you a rope. The rope is a metaphor for Jesus. You have a choice. You can grab and accept the rope and be pulled to safety or you can continue to drift down the river over the waterfall. It's your choice. God isn't pushing you over the waterfall.

[QUOTE="Hatiko"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] People will always try to rationalize when they've done something wrong. It doesn't make it less wrong.Nibroc420

What? But it wasn't dictated as wrong by God until later.

I would argue that God had given the commandments before the 10 commandments were given. The 10 commandments just wrapped them up more nicely into one easily readable and understandable list. In Genesis 2 God creates man and woman to be one flesh as husband and wife which I would see as condemning adultery as they are supposed to be one. In Genesis 4 God punishes Cain for murdering Abel, condemning murder. When Adam and Eve take from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, God casts them out of the garden of Eden for taking what does not belong to them, condemning stealing. Who is the source of morals?

[QUOTE="Hatiko"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] So at one point within the bible, God was 100% cool with a bro/sis relationship... Yea count me out ;)Nibroc420

It was needed to make people exist. There was really no other way.

Who decided that it was wrong?

[QUOTE="Hatiko"]

Maybe DNA was the wrong word. It was more that the genetic code was "polluted" enough to about the time of Moses that it was deemed unsafe to have close relative relations.

So Adam and Eve had the most "pure genetic code" and all of the incest over time to repopulate caused the downward shift in out genetic code until we have modern day humans.

GabuEx

Considering our DNA is our genetic code I'm still confused as to what you mean. What exactly is a "pure" genetic code, and how does incest make it "impure"?

Not sure exactly what he means but perhaps "pure" genetic code is DNA without any mutations in it. And as generations arose after Adam and Eve mutations in the geneic code arose. Eventually the mutations in the code became so great that when incest occured, mutations in the genetic code would create actual problems in the person born. So incest could possibly have been OK to a point when there were not that many mutations but eventually incest could no longer happen because the mutations in DNA would lead to problems with the person born (i.e. disease, deformations).

[QUOTE="fbstar57"]

[QUOTE="Hatiko"]

Look around today. Are we all deformed? Our gentic buildups are different enough that as long as we don't have relations with close relatives whose DNA is too similar, nobody is going to get deformed.

Nibroc420

Agreed with Hatiko. Nibroc makes no sense. The bible has absolutely nothing to do with this. If this bible is untrue and we all evolved from a single celled organism "then we'd all be related, even if it's on a super distant level." So bible true or untrue we are still all very distantly related.

I don't really know the scientologist origins of life beliefs but even so, would those aliens not share a common ancestor as well? In that case we would still be distantly related. I can't see any way that all human life would not be distantly related unless life randomly appeared in two separate areas and somehow both separate initial forms of life became humans which I would imagine would be extremely unlikely.