[QUOTE="flavort"]

[QUOTE="bobwill1"]Why tax the poor? Why tax anyone?Apathetic_Prick

good question

because we haven't transcended to the ideal that money has no value?

Tax exists because all these social services that many take for granted (and, if these services didn't exist, I'd be in a very, very bad way right now) can't be paid for with money that we simply decide to print because of economic standards such as gold and/orGDP.

Everyone should be taxed, but it should be fair. While the rich ar taxed, they actually don't pay as much as they should because of BS tax shelters.

An army needs taxes to survive; these are not the days of looting and pillaging.

Univeral healthcare (which socialists countries such as Canada, Norway and Swden have) needs very heavy taxation to work properly.

And don't forget politician's paycheques ;)

[QUOTE="fillini"][QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="flavort"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="flavort"]

Paying for wars is also paying for your freedom.

pianist

Come on if we did not fight whats stops others from controlling us?

So you'd rather be the slave driver, eh? Well, I guess that goes along with your capitalist ideology. Why do you think the US has ticked so many people off? I'll give you a hint - religious differences aren't the only reason...

This really isn't that difficult to understand... flavort thinks that wars prevent other nations from controlling us, and that means that we can instead control them. Wars are not fought to protect this nation's citizens from aggressive invasions, but instead to allow it to walk all over other nations so that we can live exorbitantly luxurious lives at the expense of those exploited nations.

It's hypocrisy at its finest. He'd be mighty ticked off if China attempted to commandeer American resources through subtle political and economic policies, coupled with the threat of force, and yet he has no issue with America benefitting from those very same practices through the manipulation of third world nations.

[QUOTE="hair001"]As far as my views on the subject are concerned I think a national sales tax would be the best was forward as the means for paying taxes. That way is closest way to gettng people to pay for the services they use. Products need transportation, so you buy more you put more wear and tear on roads. You have more, then the police will have to work harder to protect it. So the rich would pay more here, but not dispropotionatly more ( to the services used).pianist

I don't think this would work as well as some think it would. If you have only a sales tax, the government has no fixed income... it's all dependent on how much people spend, and if that happens, the only people with the power to spend a lot can very easily take control of the government, directing it to pass policy that is beneficial to themselves at the expense of the majority. A planned boycott of luxuries would cripple the government... and if you don't think the wealthy are above manipulating a system to their advantage using any means at their disposal, you obviously haven't had much experience with naked short-sellers in the stock market.

The US govt.'s income isn't fixed now Pianist. I also don't know where you are coming with the idea that the rich will be able to control the govt. because they pay more in a consumption tax system. The rich pay the majority of the taxes as it is now so my question, to you pianist,is:"In which way is the rich going to be able to "control the government" more? Don't forget there are rich consevatives and liberals.

Your point, i think, isthat if the rich boycott luxuries the economy would collapse/cripple the govt. The behavioral science in a capitalisticsociety such as the United States undermines that arguement. If Bill, worth 48 billiondoesn't by the Lamborghini for 210K cause of some political issue thenMrs. Butterworthmay by it for 190k. And then her neighbor Sarah Leemight be able to afford one now also.

[QUOTE="flavort"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="flavort"]

Paying for wars is also paying for your freedom.

pianist

Come on if we did not fight whats stops others from controlling us?

So you'd rather be the slave driver, eh? Well, I guess that goes along with your capitalist ideology. Why do you think the US has ticked so many people off? I'll give you a hint - religious differences aren't the only reason...

Well their is no way that usa will win the war against the insurgent. So the only thing bush have done is to train up thousand

terrorist and give them alot of experience in tacticsandguerilla warfare.

Rip870

[QUOTE="UssjTrunks"]Iraq was a nice place before the war, Bush ruined it. I don't really care though, since I don't live there. mealex

Was a nice place are you serious. He had mass executions he gassed an entire village of Kurds killing thousands and the after effects are still being shown in the children. He executed soccer teams for losing games. Yeah Iraq was a real nice place.

Iraq was a nice place before the war, Bush ruined it. I don't really care though, since I don't live there. UssjTrunks

What courtroom movie is your favorite? Mine has got to be 12 Angry Men (I've only seen the remake), but last night I saw The Rainmaker and I really liked that one a lot. drewtwo99

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