[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]so, you're basically advocating for life in prison for every felony offence? Or execution? Here's the question, are you 17? m25105

No i am not, just for violent felonies or ones that involve interfering with the US government (treason).

I'm 29 btw... not like that has any bearing on the conversation.

What part of violent felons and treason don't you understand?

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="dude_brahmski"]

It's still bloody expensive in contrast to having most of them returning to a normal life a la Norway.

But I guess we could always try to do things the worst way possible because we can!

m25105

Felons do not deserve a "normal life".

A healthy, logical and productive man would not resort to violence in that situation.

Technocracy is not "black and white" it is very flexible.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="dude_brahmski"]

It's still bloody expensive in contrast to having most of them returning to a normal life a la Norway.

But I guess we could always try to do things the worst way possible because we can!

BossPerson

except it's not.

Felons do not deserve a "normal life".

No i am not, just for violent felonies or ones that involve interfering with the US government (treason).

I'm 29 btw... not like that has any bearing on the conversation.

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]Of course Aljosa would complain about people in a country he doesn't live in not being given free food that's paid for by other people in that country he doesn't live in.Laihendi

A logical government would simply intercept those funds and use them for their own purposes.

I imagine war would not be out of the question either.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="dude_brahmski"]

Yes, let's go with the most expensive, least efficient options.

dude_brahmski

Ideally after conviction it should only cost a bullet or some rope to execute someone.

Living conditions can also be lowered substantially to keep costs down. Felons could also be used for forced labour to again lower costs.

It's still bloody expensive in contrast to having most of them returning to a normal life a la Norway.

But I guess we could always try to do things the worst way possible because we can!

except it's not.

Felons do not deserve a "normal life".

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="famicommander"] Just because nobody has the courage to point it out doesn't mean he isn't using illegal powers, and just because the Supreme Court is worthless doesn't mean the War Powers Act is constitutional. What Obama is doing is wrong.famicommander

And what may i ask is so infallible about the constitution?

i don't think a piece of paper written on by agrarians should limit a country.

Anarchy is the single greatest threat to humanity. It strives to keep humanity stupid and enslaved to the incompetance of the individual. Only under a large technocratic government can a man be free and reach his highest potential.

A proper government should not be limited... AT ALL.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] It creates a cycle of incarceration and crime. dude_brahmski

Keep them incarcerated or execute them...cycle stopped.

Yes, let's go with the most expensive, least efficient options.

Ideally after conviction it should only cost a bullet or some rope to execute someone.

Living conditions can also be lowered substantially to keep costs down. Felons could also be used for forced labour to again lower costs.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

F*cking idiots. So when they get out of prison, they can't get a job (convicted felon) and now can't obtain food stamps. And what will they do? Turn to crime and go right back to prison.

A vicious cycle.

DroidPhysX

It's their own fault for becoming felons.

i honestly can't see how anyone can be against this.

Keep them incarcerated or execute them...cycle stopped.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"] If you do not mind, could you tell me the degree of freemasonry you reached?BranKetra

i was only in for 6 months. there aren't really "ranks" until you become a real part of the group (even then they don't do much).

either way nothing special was going on. just a bunch of businessmen and engineers hanging out. think frat house with certain outside benefits I.E you can get some good jobs and a discount at certain places (but that's just due to social networking opportunities presented by all the professionals that attend the meetings).

Why should i trust that?

you don't seem to be a very reliable source.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="dude_brahmski"]

It really is quite simple. You either need to make arrangements for felons to be able to function in society, which may, for some, require food stamps (felons aren't likely to be wealthy to say the least), or you put them in prison forever. The latter is more expensive and less productive. It's also a kind of sh!tty thing to do.

dude_brahmski

It doesn't need to be.If certain expensive legal procedures were dropped and living conditions lowered, life prison terms would be more efficient.

Action should also be taken to lower the expense of state sponsored execution, so that violent criminals can be executed without the economic drain.

Yeah, but you are still paying to house, feed, clothe and medicate them as opposed to getting them back to a point where they do what normal people do - be productive and pay taxes. The Europeans do the best with the prison/recidivism thing.

Additionally, unless you plan to not bother proving criminals are guilty, which is otherwise an expensive process, you'll end up executing quite a few innocent people, which is a very bad thing.

Rehabilitation is a joke (in a criminal sense), it's too risky to let violent criminals back into society.

They lost their chance.