[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] FDR is probably the most corrupt president in US history - look at the massive human rights violations of the New Deal. He also provoked Japan into bombing Pearl Harbour, which led to the senseless deaths of 2,402 Americans just so he could use the event for war propaganda. This kind of government corruption seems like a reason to be against technocracy (or any form of authoritarianism) and for libertarianism. The less the government imposes itself on us, the less it is possible for us to be victims of criminals like Obama.DaBrainz

FDR expanded the federal government more than anyone before, he put in place a quasi-technocratic cabnet and he efficiently handeled ww2.

He is the best a democracy can hope for.

You seem to miss my point...

Never did i say he was infallible, i think he was a mediocre leader at best.

All democracy can produce is mediocrity (if it's lucky).

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Many things are already heavily automated and continue to work their way in that direction in status quo (manufacturing, for instance). For instances where it hasn't, it takes a considerable amount resources to switch to automation, sometimes costing more to automate than to not in a particular time frame, or in some cases indefinitely - for instance small scale, specialized work that isn't produced en masse that requires more versatility than an automated facility can provide for the cost. Some things simply can't be automated (completely or partially depending on circumstances, yet), due to either practical or economic constraints. When automated, substantial harnessing of resources, human, materials, etc. are required to operate, supply, manage automated facilities. There are limited resources to do so. That said, automation has contributed to a drastic increase in human productivity anyway, and there doesn't seem to be a reason why this will stop anyway. Still, peak production is a real phenomena, and resources will remain, for the seemingly indefinite future, unquestionably scarce. Continuing on that note, automation has freed up resources in the form of labor, but we are currently experiencing a structural labor surplus, so I'm not sure what freeing more of that up will necessarily do for your quest to achieve limitless cake.

coolbeans90

With a strong educational system (as i've outlined numerous times so i won't go into detail here) these extra unemployed workers will be freed up to do more intellectual and skilled jobs. leave manual labour to machines, willing foreigners and the service industry.

Automation will only get cheaper, more efficient, and more reliable with time. Even more so when a competent government devotes time and effort to it.

That is all already happening, and subsidizing education further can be done without sending the world back to feudalism.

I don't think feudalism is the word you are looking for.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

We automate a deal already. The only reason to not automate, provided that it is possible to do so capably, would be if something would be more costly than to not automate - i.e., that it would require more resources to automate than to not, which directly relates back to scarcity, limited resources.

Now, R&D is something that the private sector doesn't always venture into because of considerable risk, which is where the government should step in and subsidize scientific research. To some extent, that is already what it does, but it could afford to do more.

Finally, automation does not translate to unlimited resources. That is a silly notion.

coolbeans90

you can not honestly think that full factory automation (something deemed possible since the 30's ) would take a significant chunk out of the resources of North America?

Also abundance economics does not require infinite resources, just enough to readily supply the needs and wants of a localized population (in this case the size of the US or China) without the need of a private trading system. Technocracy keeps rewards for work in order to keep human productivity high.

Many things are already heavily automated and continue to work their way in that direction in status quo (manufacturing, for instance). For instances where it hasn't, it takes a considerable amount resources to switch to automation, sometimes costing more to automate than to not in a particular time frame, or in some cases indefinitely - for instance small scale, specialized work that isn't produced en masse that requires more versatility than an automated facility can provide for the cost. Some things simply can't be automated (completely or partially depending on circumstances, yet), due to either practical or economic constraints. When automated, substantial harnessing of resources, human, materials, etc. are required to operate, supply, manage automated facilities. There are limited resources to do so. That said, automation has contributed to a drastic increase in human productivity anyway, and there doesn't seem to be a reason why this will stop anyway. Still, peak production is a real phenomena, and resources will remain, for the seemingly indefinite future, unquestionably scarce. Continuing on that note, automation has freed up resources in the form of labor, but we are currently experiencing a structural labor surplus, so I'm not sure what freeing more of that up will necessarily do for your quest to achieve limitless cake.

With a strong educational system (as i've outlined numerous times so i won't go into detail here) these extra unemployed workers will be freed up to do more intellectual and skilled jobs. leave manual labour to machines, willing foreigners and the service industry.

Automation will only get cheaper, more efficient, and more reliable with time. Even more so when a competent government devotes time and effort to it.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Kokesh has been charged with Felony Assault on an officer. Adam was attending and speaking at the "Smoke-down" pro-marijuana gathering in Philadelphia on the 18th. As you can see in the video, the police enter the event and drag him away. He is the one with the microphone. They then charge him with Felony Assault on an officer. He is being held without bail. There is no evidence of him assaulting anyone in the video. In fact, he puts his hands up to show that he is not resisting. This is disturbing. I don't agree with the way that Mr. Kokesh goes about his protests, but he should have the right to speak his mind in America. He was not smoking marijuana at the gathering, for the record. This looks like an intimidation tactic, and possibly an attempt to keep him in custody so that his planned march into Washington D.C. can't happen in July. Mr. Kokesh was exercising his 1st amendment rights, and was assaulted, detained, and falsely charged by the police.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhUokieDlNQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKanxgLjmFA

MacBoomStick

Fully support the police on this one.

Either way thank god this idiot and menace to society was dealt with.

So much for those 1st amendment rights you people like so much.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

strict government control of geographical resources and a heavily automated production capability (also government controlled).

Not to mention an ability to take what we need from abroad.

coolbeans90

We automate a deal already. The only reason to not automate, provided that it is possible to do so capably, would be if something would be more costly than to not automate - i.e., that it would require more resources to automate than to not, which directly relates back to scarcity, limited resources.

Now, R&D is something that the private sector doesn't always venture into because of considerable risk, which is where the government should step in and subsidize scientific research. To some extent, that is already what it does, but it could afford to do more.

Finally, automation does not translate to unlimited resources. That is a silly notion.

you can not honestly think that full factory automation (something deemed possible since the 30's ) would take a significant chunk out of the resources of North America?

Also abundance economics does not require infinite resources, just enough to readily supply the needs and wants of a localized population (in this case the size of the US or China) without the need of a private trading system. Technocracy keeps rewards for work in order to keep human productivity high.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

Fully support the police on this one.

Either way thank god this idiot and menace to society was dealt with.

tagyhag

Heh I'm not so sure about that. From one idiot, 2 will spawn, and so on.

better then doing nothing...

Kokesh has been charged with Felony Assault on an officer. Adam was attending and speaking at the "Smoke-down" pro-marijuana gathering in Philadelphia on the 18th. As you can see in the video, the police enter the event and drag him away. He is the one with the microphone. They then charge him with Felony Assault on an officer. He is being held without bail. There is no evidence of him assaulting anyone in the video. In fact, he puts his hands up to show that he is not resisting. This is disturbing. I don't agree with the way that Mr. Kokesh goes about his protests, but he should have the right to speak his mind in America. He was not smoking marijuana at the gathering, for the record. This looks like an intimidation tactic, and possibly an attempt to keep him in custody so that his planned march into Washington D.C. can't happen in July. Mr. Kokesh was exercising his 1st amendment rights, and was assaulted, detained, and falsely charged by the police.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhUokieDlNQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKanxgLjmFA

hartsickdiscipl

Fully support the police on this one.

Either way thank god this idiot and menace to society was dealt with.

Americans want Obama impeached. Americans wanted Bush impeached. Americans got Clinton impeached. Americans wanted Bush impeached. And so on and so on...Zeviander

The fickleness of democracy at work.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

strict government control of geographical resources and a heavily automated production capability (also government controlled).

Not to mention an ability to take what we need from abroad.

m0zart

Phew! Pretty scarey!

Not for the citizen of the Technate.

strict government control of geographical resources and a heavily automated production capability (also government controlled).

Not to mention an ability to take what we need from abroad.