[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"] I did forget to add the DEA, but the FDA allows big pharma to continue to push it's pills for massive profits while making sure natural medicines never see the market. It's a corrupt organization that needs to be shut down. That doesn't mean we don't need food regulation, but they have shown they are no competent to do the job.

Laihendi

so you want to shut down the department meant to oversee the safety of food and drugs? And leave safety up to who? the corporations? And what "natural medicines"?

There is no need for propaganda in a technate.

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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Oligarchy long preceded market-based economies - the ones that use voluntary exchanges a la capitalism as the primary mechanism to generate production. To say otherwise is really just a revisionist take on history to justify preconceived, Utopian views.

Scarcity can't go away as long as resources are limited, and they are very limited. A society completely unconstrained by economic considerations is outright impossible anywhere on this planet. It's a pipe dream.

coolbeans90

There are enough resources to fuel a nation sized technate for a great deal of time. Probably long enough so that we may exploit other planets, which becomes much easier without the constraint of money.

Resources are more limited. Consequently, scarcity is a thing. Resources are not merely the materials under your feet, but the ability to harness them within a given amount of time. That is quite limited, and types of governments that you have a fetish for do not at all lend themselves well for efficient and fair distributions of said resources. In fact, they, historically, have done far worse WRT human and scientific advancement, and I really don't see any semblance of a valid argument that resolves the problems that have existed with those sorts of power structures. The technate would rapidly descend into the continuation of past trends. Of course, the change isn't going to happen in the first place, fortunately.

Give me one historical example of technocracy.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] FDR is probably the most corrupt president in US history - look at the massive human rights violations of the New Deal. He also provoked Japan into bombing Pearl Harbour, which led to the senseless deaths of 2,402 Americans just so he could use the event for war propaganda. This kind of government corruption seems like a reason to be against technocracy (or any form of authoritarianism) and for libertarianism. The less the government imposes itself on us, the less it is possible for us to be victims of criminals like Obama.Laihendi

FDR expanded the federal government more than anyone before, he put in place a quasi-technocratic cabnet and he efficiently handeled ww2.

He is the best a democracy can hope for.

the US constitution was a joke, written by idiots,oligarchs and agrarians.

A constitution would only serve to hinder a technocratic government.

Natural medicines like cannibus for starters, but also many herbs and fungus have demonstratable positive effects and they have been consistantly stonewalled by the FDA. Pill companies seem to get pills fast tracked through the testing process even though they have horrid side effects that are sometimes worse then the problem they were designed to treat.

Yusuke420

Ok you go see the witch doctor and i'll keep taking my pills.

ugh, it's just an endless stream of extremest bullshyt these days isn't it?

welcome to the future.

r.i.p. moderates.

i miss you.

Riverwolf007

Technocracy is socially moderate.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

Feds really don't effect my life outside of the draconian drug policy they continue to promote. If they shut down the ATF and the FDA tomorrow, I'd be ready to vote for that party for eternity.

Yusuke420

Surely you mean the DEA, not the FDA, yes?

Our welfare system is far more incompetent then the FDA could ever be.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Tyrannies existed long before the price system, bud. Moreover, scarcity isn't going to go away. I take it that you've had a few econ courses, yes?

coolbeans90

The price system originated with man and oligarchy is the result.

scarcity most assuredly can go away on a small Continent level anyway (think North America or China). I do not advocate world wide technocracy. That is unsustainable on this planet alone.

Oligarchy long preceded market-based economies - the ones that use voluntary exchanges a la capitalism as the primary mechanism to generate production. To say otherwise is really just a revisionist take on history to justify preconceived, Utopian views.

Scarcity can't go away as long as resources are limited, and they are very limited. A society completely unconstrained by economic considerations is outright impossible anywhere on this planet. It's a pipe dream.

There are enough resources to fuel a nation sized technate for a great deal of time. Probably long enough so that we may exploit other planets, which becomes much easier without the constraint of money.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

Obama is incompetent and corrupt, all democratically elected officials are (though a few flukes happen, see FDR).

However rand paul is worse. libertarians are a danger to this country and to the concept of technocracy, and thus the future of mankind.

Laihendi

FDR expanded the federal government more than anyone before, he put in place a quasi-technocratic cabnet and he efficiently handeled ww2.

He is the best a democracy can hope for.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

Obama is incompetent and corrupt, all democratically elected officials are (though a few flukes happen, see FDR).

However rand paul is worse. libertarians are a danger to this country and to the concept of technocracy, and thus the future of mankind.

hartsickdiscipl

The concept of technocracy is a violation of everything that humanity should stand for. The fact that it doesn't scare the shit out of you is disturbing to say the least.

No, it is the culmination of all humanity could hope for.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Funny how none of those undemocratic societies ever reach that technocracy point. It's almost as cute as Marxism. Meanwhile, in reality, democracy societies have done more to advance the world than all other forms of government combined. Keep dreaming, kid.

coolbeans90

That's because they get bogged down in incompetent tyranny's. this has to do with an entrenched oligarchy created by scarcity based economics and the price system. Only a country that is self sufficient and adopts abundance based economics can reach Technocracy.

Tyrannies existed long before the price system, bud. Moreover, scarcity isn't going to go away. I take it that you've had a few econ courses, yes?

The price system originated with man and oligarchy is the result.

scarcity most assuredly can go away on a small Continent level anyway (think North America or China). I do not advocate world wide technocracy. That is unsustainable on this planet alone.