illegal immigration is one of the best things to happen to America.

never had this problem... i always have a week booked at a condo if i go to the beach.

[QUOTE="Opi0us"]

I firmly believe that a government should have many responsibilities, especially to do with spreading the wealth with proportionally high taxes for high earners, and by providing free services from healthcare and education to social housing and welfare payments.

The ideal and aim of raising everyone in a society up to a comfortable level is the surest way of making things better for yourself as an individual.

Jimn_tonic

Pretty much this. It takes more than investers salivating for profit in order to build and maintain hospitals, schools and highways.

"We see before us a huge community of producers, the members of which are unceasingly striving to deprive each other of the fruits of their collective labour...I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a system which would be oriented toward social goals." -Einstien

Socialism is idiotic and dooms humanity to atrophy, idleness and rot.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] What was it that he said? Did he say that Tom Robinson was guilty of the crime he was accused of? It wasn't even misunderstanding the themes it was actually misunderstanding the very plot itself.Ace6301

He certainly hasn't done anything to contradict this theory.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="SUD123456"]Arguing reason/logic has purpose, even if imperfect. Arguing emotion is impractical by design. You end in a place of belief, which is kind of ironic I suppose.

SUD123456

A man after my own heart.:oops:

[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

But the results are practical.

SUD123456

you can stay.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Rich3232"] Deductive and inductive logic and shit like that are "perfect", but the premises that make up those type of logical conclusions will always be impossible to "know" Rich3232

But the results are practical.

you can get applicable and practical results from logic and platonic thinking.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Rich3232"] Being logical is pretty easy. Being logical consistently and knowing the "truth" is pretty much impossible. Rich3232

But to even attempt to discern the truth you must use logic. As did Plato.

But the results are practical.

[QUOTE="Saturos3091"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

on what do you base this assumption? Plato was a logical man, Socrates was a logical man, while they may be the minority they most assuredly exist.

SUD123456

Just thinking of nietzsche makes me vomit a little.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Saturos3091"]The "logical man" is an ideological fallacy. He does not exist.Saturos3091

on what do you base this assumption? Plato was a logical man, Socrates was a logical man, while they may be the minority they most assuredly exist.

If man was perfect technocracy would not be needed.