And no thats not a typo in the poll. I think we can all agree that a ps3 plus a gaming pc is better than an xbox 360. So when cows say they can play 360/pc multiplats on thier pc's when we are trying to compare the 360 and ps3 than why don't they just use the rest of the PC's games against the 360 in the same discussion?

example

"MASS EFFECT doesn't count because i can play that on my gaming pc"

"Well you can also play all the other PC exclusives on your PC so obviousley if you have a PC and a PS3 its gonna be better than 360"

Im just using this as an example of how cows try to take games that are major reasons to own a 360 out of the 360's lineup because they aren't technically exclusive. The fact is that whenever you do so you are in fact comparing 2 systems to the 360.

So if a cow wants to compare the ps3 and 360 but excludes games the pc and 360 share then they should add all the other exclusive games from pc to the ps3 list against the 360, because they are comparing both systems against the 360.

Logic only please

[QUOTE="gink101"][QUOTE="Phenom316"]

Lmao wow TC u fail miserably!

Sir, You Lose.

Phenom316

64 games above 75 or 32 games above 75. its pretty simple

Sir, You Lose. Keep holding on to your unsupported ignorant opinion.

Unsupported ignorent opinion?

I probably have a higher gamerscore than you (im about 80% sure youre a lemming, most the trolls dissing pc gaming are).

I own NES, SNES, N64, Dreamcast, PS, Xbox, PS2, Xbox 360 off the top of my head, dont you dare call me ignorent to consoles.

Let me entertain your debate for a minute (even though its degradding to pc gaming).

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Games. Over 15 years of phenomenal games, that would blow your mind. This gen? Okay. We have a brand new console with a couple games getting rated the same against a platform that has thousands of extremely fun games in each genre to get weighed against.

Let me quote something from "About Gamespot's Ratings"

"We Rate Games According to the Current Standards of Their Platforms and Genres

Every gaming platform is different, especially in terms of its technical features. However, we believe high-quality gaming experiences are possible on all the gaming platforms that we cover. So we review games against the standards of their respective platforms by implicitly comparing them to other games on that same platform and, to a lesser extent, to other games in that genre. As a result, our ratings of games on different platforms are not intended to be directly compared to one another. However, relative comparisons do apply, so a game that scores poorly is a poor game by any standards, while a game that scores extremely high is an outstanding game by any standards."

And about your 96% Orange Box comparrison, dont even think about comparing the X360 OB and PC OB, cuz you will get slaughterd. Ontop of the fact that K/M makes just about every game better, RTS's and MMO's are only possible on the PC (Dont talk about Console RTSs, Because you will self fail).

When it comes to Games, only a mentally challenged fanboy would disagree that factually, PC wins by miles.

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Graphics. Do i really need to explain this one? Theres graphics cards out there that are stronger than all 3 consoles combined. A $200 graphics card whipes the floor with consoles graphics. Accualy this is very obvious.

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Features. Features of The Internet vs Features of The Xbox Marketplace......hmmmm..... xD

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Mods. Where to start on the mods? These mods add so much to the game, make is so much funner. Mods transform _____ Game into a whole new game with so much more possibilities. You all love mods, admit it.

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Controll. You can use any controller, ever made, from any platform. If you fancy the PS2 controller, Xbox360 controller or whatever, and ontop of that, the legendairy K/M makes everything better.

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Replayability. Im not touching this one with a 40 foot poll, seriously.

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And believe me, im just getting started....

I love consoles, im buying a PS3 and an LCD TV this winter, i have amazing memories with my consoles as a child, but when you say consoles are better than the PC, you fail misserably.

I would like to get you started on games. Start naming some games from 2007 or 2008 and I can name more for the 360. Come on its the most important thing. What is there? Spore? Sins of a Solar Empire? Where are these dominating games in recent history? Like i said before look at the GAMES from the beginning of 2007 till now.

[QUOTE="gink101"][QUOTE="Phenom316"]

Lmao wow TC u fail miserably!

Sir, You Lose.

Bebi_vegeta

64 games above 75 or 32 games above 75. its pretty simple

Sir, You Lose. Keep holding on to your unsupported ignorant opinion.

You were already told that thses numbers mean nothing... why keep coming back with it.

thats your opinion. And i believe that the opinion of many professional game reviewers are more accurate.

Any way you cut it 360 has had more higher rated games in the last 12 months. You can use gamespot. gamerankings or metacritic. Yes the PC used to be dominant. Yes it has better graphics (depending on your PC). Yes its possible for people to make cool mods that can increase the value of a game. But when it comes down to it Recently the PC has been beaten by the so called inferior xbox 360 in the most important aspect. Games!

If the PC is soo godly how could it be beaten in the last 12 months? go ahead use gamespot if you want. You probably think that if stalker clear sky was on a console it would be AAA because of such the high standards huh? Nope it would still be mediocre.

Lmao wow TC u fail miserably!

Sir, You Lose.

Phenom316

64 games above 75 or 32 games above 75. its pretty simple

Sir, You Lose. Keep holding on to your unsupported ignorant opinion.

[QUOTE="gink101"]

Gamespot does not equal the world. Why cant hermits except this.

THIS IS A FACT

Over the last 12 months the 360 has had more higher rated games than the PC (FACT)

Why are hermits soo afraid of gamerankings or metacritic? Any logical person would agree the more reviews there are the greater the accuracy of the score is. This is true in all area's of measurement whether your measuring the quality of a game or measuring something in science. Please hermits use logic. Atleast that way we can have a intelligent debate.

subrosian

Averaging review scores actually produces a *worse* result. Review scores are not objective data, they are opinions produced by biased sources of varying quality at one point in time based on arbitrary qualities and ever-shifting expectations. They lack standarization, they lack mathematical weight, and what gamerankings and metacritic do is use a lot of bad data, averaged together. Averaging together huge amounts of poor data just produces a meaningless average - not a useful metric for a particular game's strengths, weaknesses, and overall quality.

Individual review scores are only slightly better, typically because they are backed with a written review that, to someone who has completely played the game, will be laughable, and demonstrate just how shoddy the majority of reviewing in the gaming industry really is. Do you expect reviewers given only a few hours to rush through increasingly complex games to reflect accurately on the whole of the experience? Of course not - they can't - and that's the problem - we see high scores for heavily advertised, high-budget titles even if they are in reality poorer than lower-scoring, less "popular" titles. And of course we see "game fanboyism" from review teams as well - they use a review and score to push games they personally enjoy.

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Is that wrong? Yes and no - if we say "review scores are one reviewer's opinion", read their written review, and take what we see with a grain of salt, then no, they're harmless. If we treat review scores as fact, elevate game reviewer's opinions above those of any other gamer, and treat that review score as "data" - as though it were valid, or as though averaging together these opinions produces a valid result, well, then we stumble in dangerous territory.

We can also get into how meaningless the numerical average is for a descriptive overall for a game, how the "best" platform cannot possibly be defined by this statistic, how you've turned what should be a personal relationship with gaming into some sick accounting game... hell, we can do all of the above, but let's start with the basics:

Anyone who thinks a review score is the complete, accurate, objective measure of a game is an enemy to gaming.

Now this is a logical argument. This is why i created this thread. Most people just state that PC is better as fact. I understand what you are saying and partially agree, but i do believe that average reviews are more reliable in regards to quality.

I made this thread to prove a point about hermits and PC gaming and i used the best most reliable source i could think of for asessing the quality of a game. I can't think of a fairer way to do it.

[QUOTE="xXSecksXx"]Why don't you go throw your PC out the window right now, and start posting on gamespot with your 360.... OH WAIT.Panther501

GET OVER LEMMINGS, YOU ARE LOSING THE CONSOLE WAR AND YOU ARN"T WINNING ANY BATTLES AGAINST YOUR SUPERIOR SIBLING.

Denial is the first step to acceptance. Please use some kind of soarce or atleast lay out an argument for your statement or your point is basically pointless. Atleast all my posts have a logical argument. I agree that PC's are very useful for many things but that they are not the far superior gaming platform that you believe.

Gamespot does not equal the world. Why cant hermits except this.

THIS IS A FACT

Over the last 12 months the 360 has had more higher rated games than the PC (FACT)

Why are hermits soo afraid of gamerankings or metacritic? Any logical person would agree the more reviews there are the greater the accuracy of the score is. This is true in all area's of measurement whether your measuring the quality of a game or measuring something in science. Please hermits use logic. Atleast that way we can have a intelligent debate.

[QUOTE="gink101"][QUOTE="Killfox"][QUOTE="gink101"]

Why is it that hermits believe that they are somehow elitests'? That they look down upon consoles and in many threads say "It doesn't matter PC is still the best. Let me give some facts that prove that the PC isn't dominating consoles in any way. Actually its the other way around. Lets compare the PC vs the 360 in the last 12 months.

360- http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/simpleratings.asp

66 games rated over 75%

45 AA's

9 AAA's

PC- http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/simpleratings.asp

32 games rated over 75%

20 AA's

5 AA's

Im sure i will hear many hermits claim that the "standards are higher on PC and how many games that are on PC would score much higher if they were on consoles. Sorry hermits thats completely false. If that is the case then why do games that appear on the 360 and PC that are basically identical in content recieve the same score?

examples

Bioshock PC(95%) Xbox 360 (95%) so much for higher standards lol

The Orange Box PC(96%) Xbox 360 (96%) why do they score identical? because they are the same game and are identical on both consoles except someone with a sweet pc can get slightly better graphics.

The PC is a great gaming platform but it IS NOT as dominant as it used to be.

Hermits need to realize that the PC isn't dominant over consoles.

bladeeagle

What a waste of a post. You must not post on here often. The only scores that matter at gamespot are gamespots.

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Why is it that Microsoft and Sony themselves reference gamerankings and metacritic. Many video game developers give bonuses to employees if a game scores high on gamerankings or metacritic. I doubt any developer would say "Alright guys if our game gets a good score on gamespot you get bonuses". Sorry nope efic fail for you

I can imagine you haveing a real life conversation with someone on whether to get a gaming PC or a xbox 360.

You "PC has more higher rated EXCLUSIVES than 360 on gamespot.

Other person "well i really don't care about just gamespot, I've been looking at average review scores for many of the games and the 360 has more and better games than PC"

You "But this is gamespo... oh wait this is the real world, where the quality of a game doesn't revolve around 1 reviewers score"

sorry buddy reality doesn't change depending on forums your posting on.

Are you seriously saying that the 360 has more quality than PC games?

HAHAHAHA that's so false. The PC has games that the 360 can only dream of getting. There's a reason people play decade old PC games. And that's because they're so much better on have more quality than modern games. Counterstrike, Bf2, Starcraft are all prime examples.

And no. 360 does not have more games than PC. That's so false I won't even comment on it.

If you want you can keep living in the past but the old days of PC dominating consoles is over (atleast in the game department) did you not even look at the lists i posted? Go ahead and use decade old games to say that the PC is best now, that makes sense. Not

[QUOTE="gink101"]

Why is it that hermits believe that they are somehow elitests'? That they look down upon consoles and in many threads say "It doesn't matter PC is still the best. Let me give some facts that prove that the PC isn't dominating consoles in any way. Actually its the other way around. Lets compare the PC vs the 360 in the last 12 months.

360- http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/simpleratings.asp

66 games rated over 75%

45 AA's

9 AAA's

PC- http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/simpleratings.asp

32 games rated over 75%

20 AA's

5 AA's

Im sure i will hear many hermits claim that the "standards are higher on PC and how many games that are on PC would score much higher if they were on consoles. Sorry hermits thats completely false. If that is the case then why do games that appear on the 360 and PC that are basically identical in content recieve the same score?

examples

Bioshock PC(95%) Xbox 360 (95%) so much for higher standards lol

The Orange Box PC(96%) Xbox 360 (96%) why do they score identical? because they are the same game and are identical on both consoles except someone with a sweet pc can get slightly better graphics.

The PC is a great gaming platform but it IS NOT as dominant as it used to be.

Hermits need to realize that the PC isn't dominant over consoles.

Killfox

What a waste of a post. You must not post on here often. The only scores that matter at gamespot are gamespots.

Thread failed/

Why is it that Microsoft and Sony themselves reference gamerankings and metacritic. Many video game developers give bonuses to employees if a game scores high on gamerankings or metacritic. I doubt any developer would say "Alright guys if our game gets a good score on gamespot you get bonuses". Sorry nope efic fail for you

I can imagine you haveing a real life conversation with someone on whether to get a gaming PC or a xbox 360.

You "PC has more higher rated EXCLUSIVES than 360 on gamespot.

Other person "well i really don't care about just gamespot, I've been looking at average review scores for many of the games and the 360 has more and better games than PC"

You "But this is gamespo... oh wait this is the real world, where the quality of a game doesn't revolve around 1 reviewers score"

sorry buddy reality doesn't change depending on forums your posting on.