Come to 1up.com, where most of the discussions are intelligent and have a point of some kind.

Just don't bring that "Cows, Lemmings, and Sheep" crap from this board over there, or you'll be laughed at.

Wow 8.1 ...This is the Biggest Flop Ever....this game was hyped AAA for many pplxXMercenariOXx

No, biggest flop ever was The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess. Everyone thought that game would get AAA or AAAA, and it didn't.

[QUOTE="spyrosklaou"] The sheep are relying on the fact that not everyone yet has a HDTV and the fact that the PS3 is 500 and 600 to think they are gonna win. How parthetic...Alunanite

Ummm...no.  A generational leap in consoles is not defined by how big an innovation a console is in terms of gameplay.  I'll let Dictionary.com explain:

 6.

a form, type, class, etc., of objects existing at the same time and having many similarities or developed from a common model or ancestor: a new generation of computers. Dictionary.com

What this means is that any class of object (in this case it's gaming consoles) that exist at the same time and play similar games are of the same generation.  The Wii plays similar games as the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360, it just does so differently.  It is no more advanced technologically; it just has a different user-input device.  If the Wii controller makes it more advanced than Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3 simply because it forces users to play their games differently, the games that took advantage of the NES PowerGlove or the Sega Activator were of the same generation as the Wii.  Using that logic, all light-gun games were the only next-gen games released in the past decade.

  Greater use doesn't mean it becomes a necessity. Use your brain. All because something will become afforadable during this generation doesnt mean everyone goes out and buys one and then decides they will only use things that take full advantage of their TV. Do you know how many people only use broadcast? (There is a reason why Cable shows have lower ratings.) While albeit many gamers will pick up HDTVs this generation, that doesnt mean they stop using everything thats not HD. Especially when graphical improvement is getting smaller and smaller with each leap (or at least less noticeable.)Alunanite

Most American households have more than just broadcast T.V.  According to the Library of Congress, that is.

Over 80 percent of American households subscribe to multi-channel video programming. Approximately 58.6 percent of all households subscribe to cable television service, and approximately 23 percent subscribe to direct broadcast satellite...Library of Congress

The reason so many cable channels have lower ratings than broadcast channels is because there are so many of them.  Hell, broadcast channels have lower ratings than they used to because there are so many channels.  Think about it:  The audience has more and more choices every year with new channels constantly being introduced.  Every channel is fighting over the same viewers.  With a limited audience size and almost unlimited choices, the audience for every channel is shrinking.

As to your comment that those who buy HDTVs aren't going to stop using everything that isn't high-definition, you're correct.  But they sure as hell spent that money for a reason and are more inclined to buy something that takes advantage of the technology that they spent so much money on.  If they didn't, they would've just bought a standard television.

[QUOTE="GG7"][QUOTE="goblaa"][QUOTE="Alunanite"]Says the Lemming who had his console mowed over in E3.Firefly_182

[QUOTE="GG7"]:lol: You're kidding right? How can a suped up GameCube possibly beat modern HD capable consoles like the 360 and the PS3? Not everyone still games on a GoldStar 19" TV with RF input only! :roll:Uhcip

Because you haven't updated your graphics card in ten years?

Nintendo has a reputation as kiddy -- not just among the fanboys, but out on the streets.  Their games feature colorful worlds and characters that save princesses and collect coins.  Most adults do not buy Nintendo consoles for themselves, which is why their last two systems have been dead last in sales.  If they can change that opinion, they have a chance.  If they can't, they're sunk. 

By the look of the launch games, they're embracing the kiddy image again.  Sure, they have the occasional "adult-appeal" game like Red Steel, but most of it will be things that most adults just won't be interested in playing with -- with the possible exception of a select few non-gamers like senior citizens (who don't and won't spend their Social Security checks on video games) and females (who are a growing league of gamers, but many think gaming is geeky and won't spend $200+ on a console and games).

I as well must sleep.  Here's a picture.