[QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"][QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"][QUOTE="fluxorator"]

Ok, so lets make things simple, if common sense prevailed
It would have been an entirely other division of Sony that developed and refined Blu-Ray.
So Sony Computer Entertainment focusing more on the PS3 would have done nothing.

Sony CARES about the next big media format because unless you haven't realised its a HUGE company based largely around it.

Tvs, Stereos, PS3.
Sony has always been a company that has pioneered (or tried to) new technologies in media.

Sony brought us the worlds first portable music player - The Walkman
Sony brought us and helped standardize (With the MSX) the 3.5 inch floppy disk.
Sony with Phillips brought the world CD and Discman.
Sony was also part of the DVD Consortium who brought us DVD and helped to standardize it with the PS2.
Now they bring us Blu-Ray.

Personally I see Sony as a company more oriented in pioneering new media rather than games. The game console market was a way for Sony to help push its formats
PlayStation pushed CD and SACD.
PlayStation 2 pushed DVD.
PlayStation Portable pushed UMD, but failed anyway.
PlayStation 3 pushed Blu-Ray.

So really Sony would love to make millions out of the PS3 but its real purpose was to get Blu-Ray standardized.

MS on the other entered into the gaming foray because well... It thought that it could make money.
It didn't, not with the Xbox at least. But a lot of efforts have been made to attempt to tie the Xbox to Microsoft's new 'Live' marketing scheme. (That's where the 'Live' in Xbox Live came from)
Live was a marketing scheme made my MS and the original XBOX was the first to use it. Now we see it everywhere:
Windows Live Messenger
Windows Live Mail
Microsoft Office Live (For Small Buisnesses)

Although Xbox is slowly moving away from Microsofts other divisions the reason why Xbox 360 only supported HD-DVD and not Blu-Ray is because Sony wanted to use a Java-based platform for their discs while HD-DVD makers wanted to use iHD (A proprietary format made my MS, later known as HDi)

So yes, big companies DO care about the next media format because they make money out of it by getting it right.
Either making the format and standardizing it (Sony) or from software royalties on the format (MicroSoft).

Gaming was/is just another way for them to get ahead.

fluxorator

Sonys main purpose of the PS3 is to standardize Blu-ray? Haha, thats exactly the problem! It's way too soon for Blu-ray to take off, they jumped the gun. You guys do realize the man who made this decision was immediatlty fired by Sony right? That's the problem for Sony, they're trying to sell an all-media console in a world of gaming consoles.

Also why is it too soon?
They say people aren't ready for the move to HD, well they might not be but don't you think the PS3 is helping them move to HD? The fact is, in Sony's eyes, the PS3 serves more of a purpose than just appealing to gamers. It already had beaten HD-DVD out of the market and if it doesn't standardize Blu-Ray by the end of its lifecycle (Which it probably will) It will give Sony a huge platform to launch a new product off.

Who cares if they standardize blu-ray? Standardizing something is not going to sell consoles .

Ok you're right I was missing you're point, but I still don't agree. Sonys in it for the long run I get it, but they are losing the current nex gen war because of it and dissapointing a lot of fans by doing so.

[QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"][QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"][QUOTE="fluxorator"]

Ok, so lets make things simple, if common sense prevailed
It would have been an entirely other division of Sony that developed and refined Blu-Ray.
So Sony Computer Entertainment focusing more on the PS3 would have done nothing.

Sony CARES about the next big media format because unless you haven't realised its a HUGE company based largely around it.

Tvs, Stereos, PS3.
Sony has always been a company that has pioneered (or tried to) new technologies in media.

Sony brought us the worlds first portable music player - The Walkman
Sony brought us and helped standardize (With the MSX) the 3.5 inch floppy disk.
Sony with Phillips brought the world CD and Discman.
Sony was also part of the DVD Consortium who brought us DVD and helped to standardize it with the PS2.
Now they bring us Blu-Ray.

Personally I see Sony as a company more oriented in pioneering new media rather than games. The game console market was a way for Sony to help push its formats
PlayStation pushed CD and SACD.
PlayStation 2 pushed DVD.
PlayStation Portable pushed UMD, but failed anyway.
PlayStation 3 pushed Blu-Ray.

So really Sony would love to make millions out of the PS3 but its real purpose was to get Blu-Ray standardized.

MS on the other entered into the gaming foray because well... It thought that it could make money.
It didn't, not with the Xbox at least. But a lot of efforts have been made to attempt to tie the Xbox to Microsoft's new 'Live' marketing scheme. (That's where the 'Live' in Xbox Live came from)
Live was a marketing scheme made my MS and the original XBOX was the first to use it. Now we see it everywhere:
Windows Live Messenger
Windows Live Mail
Microsoft Office Live (For Small Buisnesses)

Although Xbox is slowly moving away from Microsofts other divisions the reason why Xbox 360 only supported HD-DVD and not Blu-Ray is because Sony wanted to use a Java-based platform for their discs while HD-DVD makers wanted to use iHD (A proprietary format made my MS, later known as HDi)

So yes, big companies DO care about the next media format because they make money out of it by getting it right.
Either making the format and standardizing it (Sony) or from software royalties on the format (MicroSoft).

Gaming was/is just another way for them to get ahead.

fluxorator

Sonys main purpose of the PS3 is to standardize Blu-ray? Haha, thats exactly the problem! It's way too soon for Blu-ray to take off, they jumped the gun. You guys do realize the man who made this decision was immediatlty fired by Sony right? That's the problem for Sony, they're trying to sell an all-media console in a world of gaming consoles.

Are you daft?

Do you not realise the PS3 wasnt designed to ONLY appeal to gamers?

A....yeah, sonys not in the video game industry, what was I thinking? If it's not trying to appeal to gamers, who then?

Sorry? But ummm just because a company is in the video game industry doesn't mean its only interest is that?
Are you saying MS gave up on Vista as soon as they came up with the 360? The PS3 appeals to gamers, and 'Early Adopters' of HD Media. Even if it failed hugely as a console and only sold 2 million it would have served its other purpose.

No Microsoft did'nt give up on Vista just like Sony did'nt give up on CD/DVD players. They kept them seperate. By that logic Sony should realease a system with everything they manufacture for $2000? Would that sell? NO!

[QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"][QUOTE="fluxorator"]

Ok, so lets make things simple, if common sense prevailed
It would have been an entirely other division of Sony that developed and refined Blu-Ray.
So Sony Computer Entertainment focusing more on the PS3 would have done nothing.

Sony CARES about the next big media format because unless you haven't realised its a HUGE company based largely around it.

Tvs, Stereos, PS3.
Sony has always been a company that has pioneered (or tried to) new technologies in media.

Sony brought us the worlds first portable music player - The Walkman
Sony brought us and helped standardize (With the MSX) the 3.5 inch floppy disk.
Sony with Phillips brought the world CD and Discman.
Sony was also part of the DVD Consortium who brought us DVD and helped to standardize it with the PS2.
Now they bring us Blu-Ray.

Personally I see Sony as a company more oriented in pioneering new media rather than games. The game console market was a way for Sony to help push its formats
PlayStation pushed CD and SACD.
PlayStation 2 pushed DVD.
PlayStation Portable pushed UMD, but failed anyway.
PlayStation 3 pushed Blu-Ray.

So really Sony would love to make millions out of the PS3 but its real purpose was to get Blu-Ray standardized.

MS on the other entered into the gaming foray because well... It thought that it could make money.
It didn't, not with the Xbox at least. But a lot of efforts have been made to attempt to tie the Xbox to Microsoft's new 'Live' marketing scheme. (That's where the 'Live' in Xbox Live came from)
Live was a marketing scheme made my MS and the original XBOX was the first to use it. Now we see it everywhere:
Windows Live Messenger
Windows Live Mail
Microsoft Office Live (For Small Buisnesses)

Although Xbox is slowly moving away from Microsofts other divisions the reason why Xbox 360 only supported HD-DVD and not Blu-Ray is because Sony wanted to use a Java-based platform for their discs while HD-DVD makers wanted to use iHD (A proprietary format made my MS, later known as HDi)

So yes, big companies DO care about the next media format because they make money out of it by getting it right.
Either making the format and standardizing it (Sony) or from software royalties on the format (MicroSoft).

Gaming was/is just another way for them to get ahead.

fluxorator

Sonys main purpose of the PS3 is to standardize Blu-ray? Haha, thats exactly the problem! It's way too soon for Blu-ray to take off, they jumped the gun. You guys do realize the man who made this decision was immediatlty fired by Sony right? That's the problem for Sony, they're trying to sell an all-media console in a world of gaming consoles.

Also why is it too soon?
They say people aren't ready for the move to HD, well they might not be but don't you think the PS3 is helping them move to HD? The fact is, in Sony's eyes, the PS3 serves more of a purpose than just appealing to gamers. It already had beaten HD-DVD out of the market and if it doesn't standardize Blu-Ray by the end of its lifecycle (Which it probably will) It will give Sony a huge platform to launch a new product off.

Who cares if they standardize blu-ray? Standardizing something is not going to sell consoles .

[QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"][QUOTE="fluxorator"]

Ok, so lets make things simple, if common sense prevailed
It would have been an entirely other division of Sony that developed and refined Blu-Ray.
So Sony Computer Entertainment focusing more on the PS3 would have done nothing.

Sony CARES about the next big media format because unless you haven't realised its a HUGE company based largely around it.

Tvs, Stereos, PS3.
Sony has always been a company that has pioneered (or tried to) new technologies in media.

Sony brought us the worlds first portable music player - The Walkman
Sony brought us and helped standardize (With the MSX) the 3.5 inch floppy disk.
Sony with Phillips brought the world CD and Discman.
Sony was also part of the DVD Consortium who brought us DVD and helped to standardize it with the PS2.
Now they bring us Blu-Ray.

Personally I see Sony as a company more oriented in pioneering new media rather than games. The game console market was a way for Sony to help push its formats
PlayStation pushed CD and SACD.
PlayStation 2 pushed DVD.
PlayStation Portable pushed UMD, but failed anyway.
PlayStation 3 pushed Blu-Ray.

So really Sony would love to make millions out of the PS3 but its real purpose was to get Blu-Ray standardized.

MS on the other entered into the gaming foray because well... It thought that it could make money.
It didn't, not with the Xbox at least. But a lot of efforts have been made to attempt to tie the Xbox to Microsoft's new 'Live' marketing scheme. (That's where the 'Live' in Xbox Live came from)
Live was a marketing scheme made my MS and the original XBOX was the first to use it. Now we see it everywhere:
Windows Live Messenger
Windows Live Mail
Microsoft Office Live (For Small Buisnesses)

Although Xbox is slowly moving away from Microsofts other divisions the reason why Xbox 360 only supported HD-DVD and not Blu-Ray is because Sony wanted to use a Java-based platform for their discs while HD-DVD makers wanted to use iHD (A proprietary format made my MS, later known as HDi)

So yes, big companies DO care about the next media format because they make money out of it by getting it right.
Either making the format and standardizing it (Sony) or from software royalties on the format (MicroSoft).

Gaming was/is just another way for them to get ahead.

fluxorator

Sonys main purpose of the PS3 is to standardize Blu-ray? Haha, thats exactly the problem! It's way too soon for Blu-ray to take off, they jumped the gun. You guys do realize the man who made this decision was immediatlty fired by Sony right? That's the problem for Sony, they're trying to sell an all-media console in a world of gaming consoles.

Are you daft?

Do you not realise the PS3 wasnt designed to ONLY appeal to gamers?

A....yeah, sonys not in the video game industry, what was I thinking? If it's not trying to appeal to gamers, who then?

Ok, so lets make things simple, if common sense prevailed
It would have been an entirely other division of Sony that developed and refined Blu-Ray.
So Sony Computer Entertainment focusing more on the PS3 would have done nothing.

Sony CARES about the next big media format because unless you haven't realised its a HUGE company based largely around it.

Tvs, Stereos, PS3.
Sony has always been a company that has pioneered (or tried to) new technologies in media.

Sony brought us the worlds first portable music player - The Walkman
Sony brought us and helped standardize (With the MSX) the 3.5 inch floppy disk.
Sony with Phillips brought the world CD and Discman.
Sony was also part of the DVD Consortium who brought us DVD and helped to standardize it with the PS2.
Now they bring us Blu-Ray.

Personally I see Sony as a company more oriented in pioneering new media rather than games. The game console market was a way for Sony to help push its formats
PlayStation pushed CD and SACD.
PlayStation 2 pushed DVD.
PlayStation Portable pushed UMD, but failed anyway.
PlayStation 3 pushed Blu-Ray.

So really Sony would love to make millions out of the PS3 but its real purpose was to get Blu-Ray standardized.

MS on the other entered into the gaming foray because well... It thought that it could make money.
It didn't, not with the Xbox at least. But a lot of efforts have been made to attempt to tie the Xbox to Microsoft's new 'Live' marketing scheme. (That's where the 'Live' in Xbox Live came from)
Live was a marketing scheme made my MS and the original XBOX was the first to use it. Now we see it everywhere:
Windows Live Messenger
Windows Live Mail
Microsoft Office Live (For Small Buisnesses)

Although Xbox is slowly moving away from Microsofts other divisions the reason why Xbox 360 only supported HD-DVD and not Blu-Ray is because Sony wanted to use a Java-based platform for their discs while HD-DVD makers wanted to use iHD (A proprietary format made my MS, later known as HDi)

So yes, big companies DO care about the next media format because they make money out of it by getting it right.
Either making the format and standardizing it (Sony) or from software royalties on the format (MicroSoft).

Gaming was/is just another way for them to get ahead.

fluxorator

Sonys main purpose of the PS3 is to standardize Blu-ray? Haha, thats exactly the problem! It's way too soon for Blu-ray to take off, they jumped the gun. You guys do realize the man who made this decision was immediatlty fired by Sony right? That's the problem for Sony, they're trying to sell an all-media console in a world of gaming consoles.

[QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"]

The PS3 and Xbox 360 both screwed themselves by focusing on what the next big media format would be. Sony including a Blu-ray player and announcing a HIGH pricetag caused their own demise, and for Microsoft we can see where supporting HD DVD got them. The Wii proved that the only thing that matters in the gaming industry is 1. The Price and 2. The games. Does anyone actually watch movies on their system? I know I don't. If I wan't a blu-ray player I'll buy a blu-ray player, when I buy a gaming syestem I wan't just that- A gaming system. I think for the nex gen of systems they should worry about gaming and not what the next big media format will be, after all they are GAMING systems. Do you think they will learn from their mistakes? I doubt it.

12345yon

read fanboy, read

Well MS didn't really care about HD-DVD which is why they didn't put much time and effort into it.
The only reason they did't support Blu-Ray is because Sony didn't let them use proprietary M$ software on BD Movies.
So MS tried to fight back with HD-DVD. (Sort of like the wma vs mp3 battle)

I watch movies on my PS3. Sony put a lot of money in developing Blu-Ray and so they NEEDED it to win.
PS3 was probably the biggest factor in helping Blu-Ray win. Go ahead a buy a blu-ray player chances are they're more expensive than the PS3 (Actually I don't know anymore, but the PS3 was the cheapest Blu-Ray player for A LONG TIME)
Sony doesn't only care about gaming, unless you haven't realised theres more to Sony than the Computer Entertainment division just like there is more the M$ than the Xbox division. Sony needed profits off blu-ray, so putting it into the PS3 got them those profits.

I understand how expensive stand alond blu-ray is but in the VIDEO GAME industry no one cares about blu-ray. People just wan't to play games on their GAME consoles (see Wii) sales).

u....dude, sry if i pop your wii fanboy bubble, but the hddvd is OPTIONAL!!! on the 360, you can buy it if you want

the sony blu ray is getting terrain so sooner or later you will have to buy a blu ray player, thats what happen with dvds players, there where more/less expensives, now theyre cheap

and no, wii isnt winning, just look at wii fit -.- here

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26470197&msg_id=303050093#303050093

and no, wii has like 3 or 4 serious games, others are kid oriented

12345yon

No s**t it's optional, you missed my point. They made a bad decision in supporting any HD format, PERIOD. Xbox lost millions trying to compete with blu-ray when it's obviously not that important to gamers.

[QUOTE="ikillchildr3n"]

[QUOTE="Videodogg"]Uh, explain how hi def ruined gaming again?Videodogg

For Sony they included Blu-ray which was too expensive for their fanbase.

For Xbox they supported a losing format.

The systems would have BOTH been much better off if they only focusing on gaming.

Get it?

PS3 and 360 are moderatley expensive, but not THAT expensive.

What the heck did hddvd have to do with games?

and still....how did it ruin games ?

Dude read the title again, I said it ruined gaming in general (particularly nex gen sales and jaded fans), not the games themselves.

Uh, explain how hi def ruined gaming again?Videodogg

For Sony they included Blu-ray which was too expensive for their fanbase.

For Xbox they supported a losing format.

The systems would have BOTH been much better off if they only focusing on gaming.

Get it?

I watch a Ton of DVD's and Blu-rays.
A ton.

I also try to play the best games that come out (Check Sig for Proof of my gaming)

Sony didn't do anything they haven't done before.
The PSOne played Music CD's.

The PS2 allowed us to watch DVD's.

The PS3 allows us to watch Blu-Ray's and Upscales our regular DVD's into HD.

SolidTy

That's fine, I watch a lot of movies too but the majority of GAMERS do not care about hi-def movies in their gaming system, and the sales of the Wii are proof of that (keep in mind I don't even like thw Wii). Sony did'nt do anything they have'nt done before, but the people who are willing pay $600 for something that does'nt apply to gaming (in a gaming console) are minimul.