Why do you people have to continuously create religious topics. Its freakin annoying. Just quit it. crimsoni

if you don't like them, don't post in them and ignore them.  no sense complaining about them when we have the right to discuss these things.

Lets put it this way

Keep in mind that Im Athiest so I dont believe in this but incase Im wrong

If I had to choose a life

Being a sinner but having the best life I could and go to hell for it

Or

Being a religious nut (No offense meant to anyone) and have a dull life and secure a place in heaven

I would choose

*Im on the highway to hell, highway to hell*

I think you know what I choose.

unknown-phenom

who says being religious has to be dull?  I'm a Christian and I have a great life.  The Bible isn't that boring you know, just find the right section to fit your mood.  I hate it when people perpetuate the sterotype that being religious is boring. 

[QUOTE="Atrus"]

It's a confusingly strange setup.

1. The Adam and Eve story is required to be literal, because if it is metaphor then there is no literal sin inherent in all of mankind. We know however that humans were involved in the evolution of all life on this planet, we didn't pop into existence, thus disputing Adam & Eve and the temptation fable.

2. Eve is condemned for eating from the 'Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.' (it's full name) God, apparently is allowed to punish things that have no concept of good and evil which in itself is seemingly immoral. 

3. Jesus was born without original sin, yet he is supposed to be human, and all humans are supposed to have original sin as passed down through Eve (hence the hatred some Christians have of women, catholic church inclusive). This disputes Jesus as a representative of humanity.

4. The conditions which disavow Jesus of original sin (The Immaculate Conception) suggest that Original Sin has a genetic component (passed down through humans), yet there is no such Sin gene. Of course this bit of folklore was created before they understood that genes exist.

5. Because God works in absurd ways, it chooses to sacrifice it's God-human chimera (Jesus) to forgive original sin. 

6. The followers of this chimera never cease to forget to remind everyone of this sacrifice and why their religion is the only one that leads to salvation because of it. Unfortunately, they forgot to retain any proof this chimera ever existed in the first place. Oops?

psr388

This will be fun...

1. Evolution is still a theory. There is no bedrock evidence.

2. God has placed morality in all men. Anyway, she knew God told her not to eat it: she knowingly chose to disobey God.

3. Jesus has God's nature, so he can't sin. His is God in human form.

4. Sin is passed from the soul. The soul cannot be examined by man. I don't think you want to disprove the existence of the soul.

5. God sacrificed Himself so that man wouldn't have to die. This isn't absurd; it's merciful.

6. Historians at the time of Christ recorded his existence. Thousands interacted with him throughout his earthly life. The body of Christ was never found.

i agree except for your first point.  although its still a theory it has largely been proven, but they still don't know everything about it, and there are still may things to be discovered.  this does not stop me from worshiping God, though.  who knows? maybe God did create evolution, which evolved into adam and eve, but God did not mention it in the Bible because the people in the past wouldn't understand.  i wouldn't put all of my focus on Genesis, though, the Bible is a long and interesting book.  if you ever see a book called the Language of God, go check it out, its an awesome book.  honestly, i still need to pick it up, but I've read some of it and its awesome.

In Luke 16:19-31, Jesus refers to a place known as Abraham's Bosom. Perhaps those that followed God before Christ went to a place where they could await Christ's victory over sin?psr388

hmm, possibly, Im not sure myself.  Ill ask one of the pastors at my church and see what they know.  but they certainly were not sent to Hell.

It's not supposed to make sense.  If it made sense, it would be called "facts" instead of "religion." 

Seriously though, I've long asked the same thing.  My conclusion is that the Bible's God is a sadist and an egomaniac.

I challenge someone to demonstrate to me how the Bible's God is not either of those things.

SpaceMoose

read psr's posts, that would be pretty helpful.  man, I hate how the media and some of the crazier Christians only talk about hell and all of that.  the Bible is not about that, you cannot judge the entire book by just a few verses, you need to take in the book as a whole.  people need to stop judging things if they do not know all of the facts first.

[QUOTE="jackelhunter"]

[QUOTE="downPlayDemon"]I hate this place. History lessons are taught in a racist manner to make everything seem like white is right but the reality is that, internemnt camps served no purpose but to oprress asians(i can assure not everyone was japanese). Slavery lasted hudreds of years. By celebrating columbes and thanksgiving, you are celebrating the savage salying of a whole entire race. Chirstopher columbus was the devil, when he first swa the natives who treated him with hospitality, he wanted to enslave them. They sent boats of jews back to germany during WWII. and they would do any of these things again, and again.downPlayDemon

don't judge the entire country based on how one person teaches it.

my dad used to work for the UN so i moved around ALOT. Ive been to tons of schools and they all teahc the same. Just to make slavery seem as less of an issue they said the blacks enslaved themselves in africa. first of all they were enslaved only for a while until they could repay debts. second of all nobodyies fingers where chopped off. third they were allowed to learn 

hmm, they did enslave each other in Africa, but that didn't give us the right to enslave them.  at least the matter has finally been settled.  strage, my teachers were nothing like that, we covered slavery for a long time.  My teacher is pretty smart, and I'm glad I haven't gotten teachers like yours.

psr388

Yeah like that one story where it tells me to stone everyone that's not christian or the one where god tortures this guy nearly to death to prove to satan that the guy will still worship him.  

As for God telling Christians to stone nonbelievers: John 8:1-11- Jesus saves a woman from being stoned for adultery.

As for suffering Christians: Matthew 10:39- Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. 

As for judging God's actions: Job 38:2-7- "Who is this that darkens my counsel with words without knowledge? Brace yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer me. "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it? On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone-- while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?

nice finds there, I totally agree.

LIfe here is good no doubt about it, but I often think about the rights that are taken from us every day. The ammount of pollution we pump into the envronment compared to other nations is insane too. For some reason we love drving cars bigger than most Eastern European homes...tequilasunriser

well, at least some people are working on getting rid of the polution problem.  i don't know of any basic rights that are being taken away, though.

I hate this place. History lessons are taught in a racist manner to make everything seem like white is right but the reality is that, internemnt camps served no purpose but to oprress asians(i can assure not everyone was japanese). Slavery lasted hudreds of years. By celebrating columbes and thanksgiving, you are celebrating the savage salying of a whole entire race. Chirstopher columbus was the devil, when he first swa the natives who treated him with hospitality, he wanted to enslave them. They sent boats of jews back to germany during WWII. and they would do any of these things again, and again.downPlayDemon

don't judge the entire country based on how one person teaches it.