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#1 jackelhunter
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[QUOTE="banedonoes"]i think theirs a jet that is faster than sound socomgamer324

haha sound is slow. its only around 700 mph

light is like 185,000 mph

no, its about 186,000 miles per second in a vaccum (sp?). but we don't know if even light can go that fast because if light has a mass of even a little more than 0, then it won't be able to. i wish i could explain more, but I don't remember everything that the article said.

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#2 jackelhunter
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percussion. Which is basically: drum set, snare drum, timpani, mallets(I really suck at mallets though), and many others.
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#3 jackelhunter
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[QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"][QUOTE="Atrus"][QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"]

For God to be good, he must have a perfect standard. We are not robots who have to follow that, but we can't anyway. For God to be merciful, he must provide a way for people to come to him without being perfect. He allows us to make that choice.

God would be evil if he forced suffering on people without hope for redemption or a way to avoid it. If God did not punish those who wronged him, then there would be no reason for him to have a standard, and thus he wouldn't be God.

vega528

He's correct. The Problem of Evil leaves no room for either a merciful, just, or good God. If God were truly powerful then it would have made a world exactly like this one bar the evil. Either it chose to allow evil, it cannot control anything and things happened beyond its power, or it just doesn't care.

Just look at the Garden of Eden myth. What idiot decided to allow the "talking" snake in there? What idiot decided to punish beings who eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil? If they didn't know of that before they ate it how the hell could they have known what an evil choice was? What idiot punishes for an infinity any finite wrong? That idiot is the one people seemingly call 'God'.

Sounds more like you're angry at God than anything else, but you forget that if God had left us without the ability to choose right from wrong, good from evil, then we would be slaves to him. What's good about that? Nothing, which is why he allows evil to exist. Evil is anything apart from God, which naturally exists by virtue of the fact that God must be absolutely good. There doesn't even have to be an absolutely evil being... anything not of God's standard is evil.

Didn't God originally create us without the ability to choose right from wrong, good from evil, since wasn't eatting the fruit of the tree of knowledge what gave us the ability to know what was right or wrong, good or evil. So how could people have originally been able to choose if they had no knowledge or understanding of what they were choosing? If we suddenly gained the ability to choose when God did not want us to have it, does that show that he does not have complete control and therefore does not have complete power, and if he does not have complete power then he might not have power to stop or control evil and that is why he didn't want us to have the knowledge to choose good or evil in the first place.

God gave us free will and he is omnipotent so he can easily take it away just as easily as he can give it to us. He wants us to make our own decisions.

Oh yeah for the TC's question, I've heard many theories about how Hell is like, but the one thing I do know for sure isthat Hell is isolation from God.

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[QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"]Sounds more like you're angry at God than anything else, but you forget that if God had left us without the ability to choose right from wrong, good from evil, then we would be slaves to him. What's good about that? Nothing, which is why he allows evil to exist. Evil is anything apart from God, which naturally exists by virtue of the fact that God must be absolutely good. There doesn't even have to be an absolutely evil being... anything not of God's standard is evil.
Atrus

I'm certainly not angry. I don't view God in terms of your God or that other guys God, I view God as a collective concept no more real than any figment of your imagination except for special pleading. If I need to get into specifics then I'll channel up individual definitions.

Let's put it this way, would you be a good if you knowingly allowed children to stick their hands into box full of ebola ridden syringes? Why then do you consider a being so powerful yet so impotent to do anything sitting by with the supposed power to prevent suffering as good? Particularly when it involves infinite suffering? Couldn't pop in and tell Eve, "no don't listen to the Snake he's a damned liar!" instead it chose to voyeuristic route and watch the fall of man as it happened (again according to Jewish myth).

Is it too lazy to use it's magic to conjure up some food for a starving child alone in the Sudan? What choice did she have? By 'she' I mean someone like her: http://www.flatrock.org.nz/topics/odds_and_oddities/assets/wanting_a_meal.jpg

The simple and obvious answer is that this 'God' is indistinguishable from the lack of 'God', and that's namely because it's no more real than the hundreds and thousands of deities that have gone before it, or the hundreds that have come after it. I mean your notion of God sat by while hundreds of millions died from small pox, only for humans to curb it. Did it just not care? Why create small pox and other diseases that kill humans so easily and indescriminantly?

It's understandable if this is just how the universe was, but it certainly is not acceptable if there's an all-powerful entity able to stop it. We call such despots tyrants, and tyrants should never be worshiped.

God isn't just going to solve our problems magically. We are the ones who got themselves into this, so we have to get ourselves out. He may be able to solve our problems, but he doesn't. Why exactly? I do not know. I could speculate, but I don't want to drag this into a long arguement.

Eve already knew not to eat from that tree so she should have not taken the apple from the snake in the first place. Why did God do this if he knew that Eve would do this, I don't know. Maybe he was trying to teach the readers of the Bible a lesson?

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#5 jackelhunter
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definitely Oblivion, I haven't even finished Shivering Isles yet.
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#6 jackelhunter
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="crusher2002000"]

isn't the bible just a interpretation. sinceno one was there how do we know what happened. according to my religions teacher whomajored in religion in university the bible waschanged throughout history to favor the positions of that time

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Examples?

during the time of constantine the birth date of jesus chirst was moved to dec 25 because a major pagen holiday was on that day. many historians believe that jesus birthday was either in march or april

what does that have to do with anything? the Bible never mentions the date of Christ's birth. it has nothing to do with interpretation.

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[QUOTE="jackelhunter"][QUOTE="Decessus"]

The only way that picture would represent free will would be if when I got to each junction I was allowed to pick which direction to go.

If I have to go one direction based on a set of rules, then that isn't free will.

The_PirateKing

I just thought of something, we have choices, but the rules that govern them are our conscience and personality. Its kinda like the laws of physics, if you want to go across a cliff without going around or using some other means, you're going to fall. there's nothing you can do about it because you can't change the laws of physics. the same thing goes for our choices. we make the decisions that we make, because we all have distinct personalities and we are who we are, so we can't change who we are, so our choices are based on who we are.

~-~Dang, I was just about to say something like that. (I thought of it while peeing which I had to do after that one thread. But why am I telling you this?:?) Except I was going to say that you guys (not you) are acting like free will is something you either have or don't. When it's something you can have any amount of, and the only way to have an infinite amount of free will would be to have more power then God. Like say you're about to take an elevator when someone kicks you off just to be mean. That means he took your choice to take the elevator. He stole some of your free will. We can't have infinite free will and you just have to get over it.~-~

that's an interesting thought. maybe we can talk about it more later.

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[QUOTE="jackelhunter"]

It still doesn't make sense. just because God knows our actions doesn't mean that he controls us.

Hewkii

he himslef doesn't control us. the fact that he knows everything controls us. if he didn't know everything, then yes, there could easily be free will.

i don't really get it. its like saying that if I know everything that my friend is going to do, that means that I control him. It just means that I can see what he is going to do, not that I control him. I kinda know where you're going, but for nowI do not know much more about this topic, andI'm getting tired of posting here. There really isn't anything to argue about anymore without going over the same things again and again. I've been on all day, and I'm getting hungry, so I'm going to go. It's been interesting discussing about this, though. see ya later.

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[QUOTE="jackelhunter"]

that means that if I somehow know that someone is going to pick paper instead of plastic, and they pick paper, then that means that its my fault, because I knew, even though I had no effect on their choice. that makes no sense.

Hewkii

it makes perfect sense if you accept that God knows everything. and this more refers to sins then anything else.

It still doesn't make sense. just because God knows our actions doesn't mean that he controls us.

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[QUOTE="The_PirateKing"]

~-~No, not me, you. I was asking did YOU make the numbers like that. Yes, the way I did it made no free will because I chose the numbers. But God gave us free will so we made our numbers what we wanted and God knows how that's going to make things turn out.~-~Decessus

The only way that picture would represent free will would be if when I got to each junction I was allowed to pick which direction to go.

If I have to go one direction based on a set of rules, then that isn't free will.

I just thought of something, we have choices, but the rules that govern them are our conscience and personality. Its kinda like the laws of physics, if you want to go across a cliff without going around or using some other means, you're going to fall. there's nothing you can do about it because you can't change the laws of physics. the same thing goes for our choices. we make the decisions that we make, because we all have distinct personalities and we are who we are, so we can't change who we are, so our choices are based on who we are.