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#1 jkmetalf
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[QUOTE="LukeAF24"][QUOTE="jkmetalf"]

Yes. Which is why he is the only one as of right now that might get my vote.

Lets hope the old man (McCain is a little too old to hold office, older than regan was) and the robot both lose their respetive primaries.

Cube_of_MooN

Considering he wasn't even in the Senate at the time, his whole stance is pretty irrelevant to you liking him isn't it?

Well said. But he didn't vote for the war, which is good enough for the TC.

Exactly. Sometimes I just don't want to have any part of this or write in my own canidate. My friend last year wrote in "hot latin babes" for state sentor.

Its not that I like him, its the least of the evils present. I still might write in "beach babes" if I don't like the choices.

Christ, sometimes I think, **** it all. Maybe the only reaction to an insane world is to become insane.

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#2 jkmetalf
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[QUOTE="hokies1313"][QUOTE="Cube_of_MooN"][QUOTE="jkmetalf"]

So no one cares that hillary and McCain voted for it? Great. Well then, lets just let history repeat itself shall we?

Taegukki

Circumstances were different back then, everyone was in post-9/11 mode still, and the President was still rather popular. We can easily look back in hindsight with today's knowledge and condemn them, but in my mind, what they did not does not effect their stances today.

I agree 110%

As I recall a good majority of Congress voted for the war. Shall we criticize them call?

Correct me if im wrong, but didnt Obama oppose the war in Iraq from the beginning?

Yes. Which is why he is the only one as of right now that might get my vote.

Lets hope the old man (McCain is a little too old to hold office, older than regan was) and the robot both lose their respetive primaries.

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#3 jkmetalf
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[QUOTE="jkmetalf"][QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="jkmetalf"]

Simple. They voted for the war in Iraq.

80 to 88 thousand civilans killed as a result of the war. LINK

Oh, and this never gets talked about. LINK

McCain, that happened on your watch. Good luck getting my vote. Wait, your not.

UrbanSpartan125

The Iraq sanctions were talked about are you kidding me, that was the whole premise of the war. We believed Saddam Hussein violated those sanctions thats why we took action.

I supported the war and i still do, the past 5 months have been very successful and deaths are down 80%. By july a significant amount of US forces will be withdrawn and we will hand control to the Iraqi government.

Awesome Bro! So no more about WMD huh? Now its onto the "saving teh kids we put to death by dening them medication" right?

It only took 5 years and 88,000 cilivians dead. 4,000 united states soliders killed and for what reason? Give me a sold reason why.

Ok since i cant really understand what you said in that quot because i dont speak that language i am going to tell you what we have done.

REBUILDING IRAQ

  • In April 2003, Congress approved approximately $2.5 billion largely for immediate relief aid -- such as food, medicine, and water -- through the Iraq Relief and Reconstruction Fund (IRRF). Today 97% of these funds have been disbursed.
  • In November 2003, Congress added $18.4 billion to the IRRF to help Iraq with general reconstruction needs.
  • As of February 2006, we have disbursed $10.5 of the $18.4 billion, funding projects in the security, economic, and political spheres. 83% of the $18.4 billion has been obligated to projects. We have a detailed plan for projects using the remaining funds that will be completed before the close of the 2006 fiscal year.
  • Iraq's reconstruction needs are at least $55 billion, per the UN and World Bank. US assistance is part of an ongoing international effort.
  • IRRF projects have transitioned from large infrastructure projects to smaller, quick disbursing projects that jumpstarted the Iraqi economy, and to projects that are building Iraqi capacity to sustain and manage the country's infrastructure over time.
  • Under Saddam Hussein, Iraqis' standard of living deteriorated rapidly. Iraq's per capita income had dropped from $3,836 in 1980 (higher than Spain at the time) to $715 in 2002 (lower than Angola).
  • Today, free elections are transforming Iraq. Economic recovery is also picking up, with GDP growing from $18.9 billion in 2002 to $33.1 billion in 2005.

IRAQ RELIEF AND RECONSTRUCTION FUND

The US Congress authorized $20.9 billion in civilian funds to help reconstruct Iraq in the three and one half years immediately following Operation Iraqi Freedom in April 2003. The US is using these funds to jumpstart the rebuilding and reform processes in Iraq, at a time when Iraq's needs are enormous.

The goal of US reconstruction assistance to Iraq is to help the Iraqi government develop a democratic, stable, and prosperous country, at peace with itself and its neighbors, enjoying the benefits of a free society and a market economy.

We dont deny Iraqis medicine or healthcare, we build hospitals, schools, government offices. We have helped them a great deal. There have only been a recorded 60,000 civilian deaths in Iraq during the war, dont blame that on the US you can blame that on insurgents. Road side bombs, IED's, VBIEDs. Suicide bombers who have no care for life and blow themselves up in a crowded market, thats how civilians die and the US doesnt stand for that.

One question. Would the insurgents been there had the u.s started the war?

Thats right, the U.S rebuilds the schools, hospitals and government offices they destroyed.

Except the oil minstiry. That sob has had 24/7 protection since the begining.

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[QUOTE="Cube_of_MooN"][QUOTE="jkmetalf"]

So no one cares that hillary and McCain voted for it? Great. Well then, lets just let history repeat itself shall we?

hokies1313

Circumstances were different back then, everyone was in post-9/11 mode still, and the President was still rather popular. We can easily look back in hindsight with today's knowledge and condemn them, but in my mind, what they did not does not effect their stances today.

I agree 110%

As I recall a good majority of Congress voted for the war. Shall we criticize them call?

**** yes. Iraq never threatend us. Why the **** did they give up their war powers? They could have slowed it down, asked some tougher questions. Could have recoginzed that innocent people would die no matter how many "smart" bombs where dropped that magically left puppies and kittens unharmed while vaporizing the good guys....

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[QUOTE="jkmetalf"]

So no one cares that hillary and McCain voted for it? Great. Well then, lets just let history repeat itself shall we?

Cube_of_MooN

Circumstances were different back then, everyone was in post-9/11 mode still, and the President was still rather popular. We can easily look back in hindsight with today's knowledge and condemn them, but in my mind, what they did not does not effect their stances today.

What if the "war" went great? We wouldn't criticise them then would we? Or at least not as much?

The war never was going to go great. They must have been some of the stupidist people to have every lived to believe that everything was going to go according to plan and greeted as liberators ****

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#6 jkmetalf
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[QUOTE="jkmetalf"]

Simple. They voted for the war in Iraq.

80 to 88 thousand civilans killed as a result of the war. LINK

Oh, and this never gets talked about. LINK

McCain, that happened on your watch. Good luck getting my vote. Wait, your not.

UrbanSpartan125

The Iraq sanctions were talked about are you kidding me, that was the whole premise of the war. We believed Saddam Hussein violated those sanctions thats why we took action.

I supported the war and i still do, the past 5 months have been very successful and deaths are down 80%. By july a significant amount of US forces will be withdrawn and we will hand control to the Iraqi government.

Awesome Bro! So no more about WMD huh? Now its onto the "saving teh kids we put to death by dening them medication" right?

It only took 5 years and 88,000 cilivians dead. 4,000 united states soliders killed and for what reason? Give me a sold reason why.

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So no one cares that hillary and McCain voted for it? Great. Well then, lets just let history repeat itself shall we?

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#8 jkmetalf
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Simple. They voted for the war in Iraq.

80 to 88 thousand civilans killed as a result of the war. LINK

Oh, and this never gets talked about. LINK

McCain, that happened on your watch. Good luck getting my vote. Wait, your not.

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I can do it for about a few minutes. I know I'm not going to sound like a certain one, but I want to find the deepest sound that I can make. I've heard that there are ways to do it without putting unesscerry strain on your voice....
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