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#1 jshaas
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[QUOTE="jshaas"][QUOTE="junglist101"]Reading back there was no debate. What I should have said is, "I'm done talking with you." And that's not what phil was getting at; he just wants to quote religious"experts" who get their "expertise" from the same flawed book that he does whilst hurling subtle insults. The bible is not a reference..

Really, I just can't stand his arrogant attitude and you two clearly have something in common. Not very "Christ like" if you ask me... Just sayin'

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Well, it's good to know that you're an expert on the experts. This has nothing to do with being "Christ like." We're standing by our convictions, and because you don't agree with us we're being arrogant. I think not. I'm so sick of people that are so caught up in their own mindset that they won't allow themselves to see other's points of view. This seems to be a common trait among liberals. And before you say that's what we're doing... it's not. We are standing firm in our beliefs and defending them. We are not trying to make anyone see things our way. You, however, are spewing nonsense and failing to defend it. Believe what you will, that's not up to me to change your mind... and I'll respect you for standing by what you believe.

Really, you could have gathered only a minimal idea of what I believe from this thread. What nonsense would you like me to defend? I didn't say much of anything except for that it is likely that Christianity is derived from preceding religions which your buddy wanted to turn into a discussion about Zeitgeist.

How can you say that I don't see your point of view? I had your point of view for most of my life. The fact is, you can't see my point of view.

No, I see your pov clearly. You believed, now you don't. You did make that statement about Christianity being derived from preceding religions, but you never gave anything to back it up. Then you got defensive when Phil pointed that out to you.
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#2 jshaas
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[QUOTE="theSteeeeels"]fairly curious. its fairly possible there is something after death. i mean the energy and atoms that make up you go somewhere right... maybe you linger in a smog of light dust in some way. personally i think the idea of a heaven is horrible. could you actually imagine living forever? id rather be dead forever than alive forever.

When we go to Heaven we are transformed, and will not be as we are now. So, how you look at an eternal life now would be different.
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#3 jshaas
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[QUOTE="jshaas"][QUOTE="junglist101"]I done debating with you. To be honest I just feel sorry for you.

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You never debated your point though. That's what Phil is getting at. Also, a Christian of 32 years would know it's Revelation not "Revelations." Just saying.

Reading back there was no debate. What I should have said is, "I'm done talking with you." And that's not what phil was getting at; he just wants to quote religious"experts" who get their "expertise" from the same flawed book that he does whilst hurling subtle insults. The bible is not a reference..

Really, I just can't stand his arrogant attitude and you two clearly have something in common. Not very "Christ like" if you ask me... Just sayin'

Well, it's good to know that you're an expert on the experts. This has nothing to do with being "Christ like." We're standing by our convictions, and because you don't agree with us we're being arrogant. I think not. I'm so sick of people that are so caught up in their own mindset that they won't allow themselves to see other's points of view. This seems to be a common trait among liberals. And before you say that's what we're doing... it's not. We are standing firm in our beliefs and defending them. We are not trying to make anyone see things our way. You, however, are spewing nonsense and failing to defend it. Believe what you will, that's not up to me to change your mind... and I'll respect you for standing by what you believe.
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#4 jshaas
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[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

[QUOTE="junglist101"]

I love how you conveinently side step what I said. Classic Christian picking and choosing what parts of the bible they wish to pay attention too.

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I'm not interested in going off on tangents, I'm sticking to the point, something many should learn to do themselves. So please defend the Zeitgeistian argument for Christ being derived from paganism and see how far you get.

Needless to say such an attitude is a modern attitude many Christians have developed, whereas the fathers of the church continously used the Old testmanet and read on it very much. Great men like Justin Martyr, John Chrysostom and Augustine.

I done debating with you. To be honest I just feel sorry for you.

You never debated your point though. That's what Phil is getting at. Also, a Christian of 32 years would know it's Revelation not "Revelations." Just saying.
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#5 jshaas
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[QUOTE="jshaas"]Read two books... "Beyond Death's Door" and "To Hell and Back." I'll be waiting for your response.Jandurin
if you really cared you'd at least link me rofl a book of NDEs that is not going to convince anyone don't you all know you dream? you don't think you can dream when almost dead ????????????

I took some time to really think about this one... Yes, everyone dreams. But, why would someone dream about the afterlife just before they die? What would make them dream that dream? What makes anyone dream any dream? They're out of our control. So, what controls our dreams? You should also note that the author of those books was an atheist, and is now a Christian because of what he saw.
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#6 jshaas
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[QUOTE="jshaas"]If that's the case, you'd know that there actually aren't any contradictions in the Bible. DroidPhysX

Only verses that endorse the killing of homosexuals, non believers, worshippers of other gods, and non virgins on the wedding night.

Given that there are no contradictions, do you follow those verses? Or only cherry pick the best one PR wise?

That's the whole reason Jesus came to this earth! To fulfill the laws of the Old Testament. It's because God's people kept turning away from Him, and His laws that He destroyed entire nations. Again, not because He wanted to but because He had to. If not, then He is a liar. Jesus came to absorb God's wrath for OUR sins. Yes, I follow every verse of the Scriptures... rightly divided. So, who's cherry picking here? You have to look at the Bible in it's entirety, not book by book, to see the deepness of God's love.
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#7 jshaas
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[QUOTE="jshaas"]Read two books... "Beyond Death's Door" and "To Hell and Back." I'll be waiting for your response.Jandurin
if you really cared you'd at least link me rofl a book of NDEs that is not going to convince anyone don't you all know you dream? you don't think you can dream when almost dead ????????????

Fine, TONGUE. It's early, and I'm working. How do link an actual book? You have to go to BAM and read it! You can get a mochachino while you're there. Fun times. Continue to be unconvinced.
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#8 jshaas
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"]you guys don't really believe in like god and heaven and such right? i mean all powerful creator and post-death utopian immortality? you do recognize that that isn't real, right

Read two books... "Beyond Death's Door" and "To Hell and Back." I'll be waiting for your response.
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#9 jshaas
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"]you guys don't really believe in like god and heaven and such right? i mean all powerful creator and post-death utopian immortality? you do recognize that that isn't real, right

Every knee shall bow, every tounge shall confess.
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#10 jshaas
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I would like to hear this... "Welcome Home my son. You have fought the Good fight."