[QUOTE="killu-later"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

This is hardly an issue. Forgeting slavery and forgeting that there aren't many multi cultural video game characters aren't comparable. (not to mention black people were not the only people in this world to be enslaved but another story all together) You my friend are using a strawman, presenting an argument both extremely simplistic and completely missing the point. The asian devs are not saying looking Asian is wrong by creating white characters, how you even think you are qualified to make that assumption in itself is ridiculous but the fact that you think that there is some sort of hidden agenda pushing is what I find the most amusing.

Let's break it down. No actually let's make it simple. You aim a title towards the west, you better have characters that appeal to western audiences. The majority of western game purchasers are 18-335 year old white males. What type of character will appeal to them must? Well I would assume someone who is white and in that age range. If that is your target, you shoot to appeal to them. So be it, its not going to be the end of the world. It won't make lesser quality titles. It might offend people who are hung up on race I suppose but they probably don't even buy games as a whole. Would more multi culture in games be a plus? Yeah I would agree it would. Is it a big deal as of now? I would argue its not.

ActicEdge

So you are saying that all Japanese games with White leads are made solely to appeal to the West? onbiously you are wrong there because most of the Japanese classics were made with Japanese language as the prime, then later dubbed in English when the West get a grip of it years later. And I'm sure the Japanese dont make games solely to target white males ages 18-35 yrs in age...if that was the case they wouldnt have characters looking like this

No, I'm saying however that you target your audience. Dynasty Warriors, Sengoku Basara and Yakuza for example have distinctly Japanese characters. They sell best in Japan. Resident Evil for example has characters from america, it also sees the majority of its sales in america. Make sense?

How about Final fantasy, Devil may cry, pokemon, yugioh, old resident evil, silent hill, etc. All these games were made before they even cared about appealing to the West.

i didn't know that it is suddenly important for devs to make important characters native to where the studio is based. All sorts of devs should be ashamed of themselves now. ferret-gamer

you tell me what wrong. Western devs make the majority of their games with Caucasian faces. Why cant the Japanese make games with Japanese faces? And they were using Caucasian faces even before they cared about appealing to the west

You just posted a picture of an actual white guy. It could go either way.

hakanakumono

ok then, you post a picture of an Asian Ryu (if you can even find one) and lets see which one looks more comfortable, the white ryu or the asian ryu? In the end I guarantee you the white Ryu looks more comfortable to the eyes because that's what the Japanese have been feeding us for over a Decade now. They have been telling us that a Japanese character with a Caucasian face looks better than a Japanese character with a japanese face

[QUOTE="killu-later"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I'm sorry but no. This is a games market, there is an artistic aspect to it which I respect but the other reality is that its easier to sell a white face in the West than an asian one or a black one. So be it. Its video games man, the protagonists race or look will not make the game better or worse. If you look at the japanese market, many more of the in country produced titles feature characters more in tune with the "taste" (and I use this losely) of the game buying market. Its not racism that most game characters out of the West are white when most of the people who design the games are white. That's just common sense.

ActicEdge

im sorry but, you being Black should know better than to sweep Race related issues under the rug. How would you feel if I just told you to forget about slavery, whats done is done? Because that's exactly what you just told me......"So be it.....common sense.....forget it". This is a serious issue. The Japanese devs are basically saying that looking caucasian is the right way to look, that you can never make it big looking Asian. The sad thing is they dont know that they have the power to put out more Asian faces so that it wont look as weird when people see Asian faces on the big screen or in lead roles. But they choose not to and instead, keep telling their own kind that Caucasian looking faces are the only way to make it big

This is hardly an issue. Forgeting slavery and forgeting that there aren't many multi cultural video game characters aren't comparable. (not to mention black people were not the only people in this world to be enslaved but another story all together) You my friend are using a strawman, presenting an argument both extremely simplistic and completely missing the point. The asian devs are not saying looking Asian is wrong by creating white characters, how you even think you are qualified to make that assumption in itself is ridiculous but the fact that you think that there is some sort of hidden agenda pushing is what I find the most amusing.

Let's break it down. No actually let's make it simple. You aim a title towards the west, you better have characters that appeal to western audiences. The majority of western game purchasers are 18-335 year old white males. What type of character will appeal to them must? Well I would assume someone who is white and in that age range. If that is your target, you shoot to appeal to them. So be it, its not going to be the end of the world. It won't make lesser quality titles. It might offend people who are hung up on race I suppose but they probably don't even buy games as a whole. Would more multi culture in games be a plus? Yeah I would agree it would. Is it a big deal as of now? I would argue its not.

So you are saying that all Japanese games with White leads are made solely to appeal to the West? onbiously you are wrong there because most of the Japanese classics were made with Japanese language as the prime, then later dubbed in English when the West get a grip of it years later. And I'm sure the Japanese dont make games solely to target white males ages 18-35 yrs in age...if that was the case they wouldnt have characters looking like this

[QUOTE="killu-later"]

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

They have very different ideas of what it means to "look Japanese." Ryu could pass as Japanese.

hakanakumono

Im Asian and I've never seen a Japanese person who looks like this.

He's a cartoon that's exaggerated.

fine, here

I'm having trouble following.. Are you saying Japanese developers are being racist to Japanese people?

Twin-Blade

sort of. Japanese develpers are not helping the Asian stereotypes. They are basically saying if you want to make it big, you have to have a beautiful Caucasian face. So much that even they dare not risk putting Asian faces in their own games. Even their Japanese speaking characters have Caucasian faces. Now can you tell me why they cant just put a Japanese speaking character with a Japanese face?

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Who cares? frankly even then I can see the japanese in a lot of Eastern designed characters. I'm black, I rarely play games with interesting black protagonists. So what? This is a video game, not a "equality in everything" movement. Please, get over it.

ActicEdge

Equality should be something we all strive for. We are all humans and deserve equal respect. If you ignore a problem it will not go away. Being militant in getting more equality in gaming is much better than sweeping the racism and sexism in gaming under the rug.

I'm sorry but no. This is a games market, there is an artistic aspect to it which I respect but the other reality is that its easier to sell a white face in the West than an asian one or a black one. So be it. Its video games man, the protagonists race or look will not make the game better or worse. If you look at the japanese market, many more of the in country produced titles feature characters more in tune with the "taste" (and I use this losely) of the game buying market. Its not racism that most game characters out of the West are white when most of the people who design the games are white. That's just common sense.

im sorry but, you being Black should know better than to sweep Race related issues under the rug. How would you feel if I just told you to forget about slavery, whats done is done? Because that's exactly what you just told me......"So be it.....common sense.....forget it". This is a serious issue. The Japanese devs are basically saying that looking caucasian is the right way to look, that you can never make it big looking Asian. The sad thing is they dont know that they have the power to put out more Asian faces so that it wont look as weird when people see Asian faces on the big screen or in lead roles. But they choose not to and instead, keep telling their own kind that Caucasian looking faces are the only way to make it big

What about Soul Calibur? Mitsurugi looks pretty damn Japanese to me, albeit not the pretty boy Japanese but the rough manly man Japanese.

Vesica_Prime

sorry he looks pure caucasian in a Japanese samurai outfit. A Manly Japanese in samurai outfit in real life should look something like this with the eyes and all

Who cares? frankly even then I can see the japanese in a lot of Eastern designed characters. I'm black, I rarely play games with interesting black protagonists. So what? This is a video game, not a "equality in everything" movement. Please, get over it.

ActicEdge

ok, name some popular eastern games with Japanese lead characters. not much right? Something is seriously wrong when Japanese devs feel more comfortable making white leads as opposed to Asian leads. Many developers are now careful with black characters in gaming after what happened to Resident Evil 5, Another Japanese game with Caucasian leads.

[QUOTE="killu-later"]

[QUOTE="ZIVX"]

Street Fighter? Ninja Gaiden?

hakanakumono

Street fighter, are you kidding me? Ryu is supposedly Japanese but looks nothing of Asian descent. it's like they wished they didnt look Asian

They have very different ideas of what it means to "look Japanese." Ryu could pass as Japanese.

Im Asian and I've never seen a Japanese person who looks like this.