this is the shortest possible.

most of these points are from essays that I have written in the past

there is 5 points, with only couple sentences for each; not much at all

Don't give me this BS with loose change or this being a silly conspiracy. I have provided some simple arguments regarding the official story nothing else.

Im not no college student who thinks "he has solved the mystery" using his computer. I've been through college a while, multiple jobs, and now have kids who are my real concern. I DO have a life.

Me being interested in this topic should not be a factor that affects my character, and if you guys judge me based on that I feel for you.

For my last post in the thread I am going to make the following points…



1. We know that the twin towers were designed in its construction to withstand an impact from a Boeing 707. The aircraft that were used were a Boeing 747-200, and a Boeing 747-200ER both comparable in size, speed, weight, and fuel capacity. These aircraft did not have a full fuel load having only being fueled enough for the trips they were scheduled to take that day. Upon impact a majority of the available fuel load was used up in the initial fireball. The remaining jet fuel, while being capable of attaining the heat sufficient enough to weaken structural steel did not have the time, nor did it weaken enough of the structure to facilitate the complete collapse of the twin towers. Nor was the available fuel located in the office furniture, desks, chairs, drywall, able to keep the heat level hot enough to weaken the internal core of the building enough to allow the collapse of the twin towers in the ****c pancake effect. Also heat does not cut metal as was seen in the aftermath of the collapse.



2. We know that amazingly the only buildings that were destroyed were the buildings at the WTC complex, buildings 1, 2 & 7. Surrounding buildings while severely damaged by the collapse of the twin towers are still standing, and still being used to this day. If explosives were indeed not used, and the collapses were the result of only the impact of the two aircraft, the damage would not have been as severe for one and if somehow the buildings were destroyed by impacts from the aircraft, the damage pattern would have been far different. However we have here a complete and total collapse of these three buildings. To site an example of a building collapse due to progressive structural failure we must look at The Ronan Point Tower Apartment Case where due to inadequate construction this building did have a progressive collapse but it was not a total global collapse.



3. Larry Silverstein leases the World Trade Center Complex for a period of 99 years, longer than his own life expectancy, longer than any reasonable term on a lease, unless the person was to expect to lease the property for the remainder of the usable period of time the property would be in existence. The property a fiscally loosing investment for the New York City Port Authority is not a wise investment for anyone to buy into. The WTC complex cost more to maintain than it generated in revenue, until the attacks, when it suddenly became a quite profitable property for Mr. Silverstein to have invested in. Especially after successfully arguing that the attacks were two separate incidents and thus doubling his return on the insurance on the property.



4. The New York Office of Emergency Management was prepared the day prior to the event for a catastrophe of the magnitude of 9/11. Serendipitously and amazingly ready with the crews needed handle the aftermath of this horrible and terrible disaster.



5. There was a 30 hour power down of the twin towers prior to the attack, during which a unidentified crew was allowed into the buildings for an extended period of time, unsupervised and unrecorded. Now my opponent has made the case that during this power down the explosives would have had to been brought up the stairwells into the building. However elevators in buildings can run independently with the main power off to a building with the aide of backup power as each building was equipped with. Huge diesel generators located in the buildings facilitate the operations of elevators in the event of a power outage. So the possibility that these crews could have brought up the large amounts of explosives needed to wire these buildings to blow.



So without the evidence to point towards the attacks themselves to be the cause of the complete collapse of these three buildings we are left with few other options then to pin the blame of the catastrophe to a controlled demolition. The neatness of the collapse, the exact same pattern of collapse in the twin towers, and the subsequent collapse of WTC 7 show that the similar patterns show that these were indeed planned events. The fact that the only buildings that were destroyed on that day were buildings in the world trade center complex even though that some buildings surrounding the towers were closer than WTC 7 yet these buildings are still standing, occupied and active.



I hope that those that read this look into September 11 with a refreshed outlook and not buy into any story without researching the facts themselves.



Thank you,
knowledgefunk

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[QUOTE="knowledge-funk"]5. The omission of the fact that fire has never, before or after 9/11, caused steel-frame buildings to collapse (25). jim1029

Quoted for epic win-ness.

does it really change anything?

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I'm just going to post pertenant parts but please read this document in it's entirety. Look at what they admit. It's in plane site yet we who question all this are the "crazies"

Washington, D.C. - President Bush has signed into law legislation sponsored by Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-Queens & Brooklyn) and Science Committee Chair Sherwood Boehlert (R - NY), and New York Senators Clinton and Schumer, to overhaul building collapse investigations. The National Construction Safety Team Act will ensure that the mishandled evidence and in-fighting that hobbled FEMA's World Trade Center investigation never happens again. Rep. Weiner issued the following statement:







"Thousands of tons of steel were carted away from ground zero and recycled before any expert could examine what could have been tell-tale clues. Support trusses, fireproofing fragments and even burnt out electrical switches that might have given scientists and engineers insight were lost forever - even before an investigation was underway.







"These failures mean that we are short--even to this day--on conclusions about design decisions that may have contributed to the deaths of so many firefighters and workers on the top floors.







"First, just as the NTSB immediately sequesters evidence involved in a plane crash, our bill creates immediate on-site authority for investigators of collapses to have access to and preservation of important materials. And–if necessary–the new panel may subpoena materials.







"Never again will we see the destruction of materials and the legal jousting that marked the scene of the 9/11 attack, where even the blueprints of the buildings took weeks to secure.

http://www.house.gov/list/press/ny09_weiner/021002wtccollapse.html

Straight from the horses mouth folks. The "truthers' didn't make this stuff up.

kittykatz5k

Or maybe, you know, he called off investigations because it's costing money to go on for years and years on something from the past, like doing and autopsy on a guy who got hit by a rocket. The cause of death is pretty obviously a rocket.

you can't be serious.

I'm just going to post pertenant parts but please read this document in it's entirety. Look at what they admit. It's in plane site yet we who question all this are the "crazies"

Washington, D.C. - President Bush has signed into law legislation sponsored by Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-Queens & Brooklyn) and Science Committee Chair Sherwood Boehlert (R - NY), and New York Senators Clinton and Schumer, to overhaul building collapse investigations. The National Construction Safety Team Act will ensure that the mishandled evidence and in-fighting that hobbled FEMA's World Trade Center investigation never happens again. Rep. Weiner issued the following statement:







"Thousands of tons of steel were carted away from ground zero and recycled before any expert could examine what could have been tell-tale clues. Support trusses, fireproofing fragments and even burnt out electrical switches that might have given scientists and engineers insight were lost forever - even before an investigation was underway.







"These failures mean that we are short--even to this day--on conclusions about design decisions that may have contributed to the deaths of so many firefighters and workers on the top floors.







"First, just as the NTSB immediately sequesters evidence involved in a plane crash, our bill creates immediate on-site authority for investigators of collapses to have access to and preservation of important materials. And–if necessary–the new panel may subpoena materials.







"Never again will we see the destruction of materials and the legal jousting that marked the scene of the 9/11 attack, where even the blueprints of the buildings took weeks to secure.

http://www.house.gov/list/press/ny09_weiner/021002wtccollapse.html

Straight from the horses mouth folks. The "truthers' didn't make this stuff up.

http://www.movie-forumz.org/showthread.php?t=36571&highlight=larry+kingknowledge-funk

http://www.guba.com/watch/3000080909

This isn't a credible source....does the op or anybody who just bashed Obama what a credible source is?yoshi-lnex

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/11517.html

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/obama-changes-mind-about-iraq

Opinion. In yet another reversal of position, Senator Obama announced today that he would not order a swift withdrawal from Iraq, although he says he still thinks the war was a mistake. Maybe when and if he is elected President, he will understand the reasons why Saddam had to be removed and complete the mission. I might even change my mind and vote for him.

Obama rewrites Iraq plan

By: Mike Allen

July 3, 2008 The Politico (Excerpt)



"Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) promised primary voters a swift withdrawal from Iraq, in clear language still on his Web site: "Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months."



Not anymore. Heading into the holiday weekend, Obama and his advisers repudiated that pledge, saying he is reevaluating his plan and will incorporate advice from commanders on the ground when he visits Iraq later this month.



A top Obama adviser said he is not "wedded" to a specific timeline and Obama said Thursday he plans to "refine" his plan.



"I am going to do a thorough assessment when I'm there," he told reporters in Fargo, N.D., according to CBS News. "When I go to Iraq and I have a chance to talk to some of the commanders on the ground, I'm sure I'll have more information and will continue to refine my policies.""

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All the distortions are false? Just because you read a couple, and you may seem to think that you are unquestionably correect, does not make all the counter-arguments to official story false. I suggest actually reading the official comission report, and than reading david ray griffen's book.

I know ALL of you will not do so.

I'll make it simple and as you to answer this critical question. "Who benefited most from the attacks?" Benefit can be defined various ways, from financial profit to self-promotion, and this question has been batted back and forth many times on this forum. I do not have all the links at the moment, there have been strong case against insurance fraud, strong cases against political benefit on behalf of the Republicans, and various others talking about war profiteering.

So all, if you have way too much time on your hands and feel up to a challenge, my critical question for you is "Who benefited the most from the 9/11 attacks?"

Frattracide

Terrorists who wanted to kill Americians. Also

First what exactly do you define by beneficial in this aspect?

And how did they benefit?