[QUOTE="lord_mordain"]They are enemies.

Sure they are...now! Cause religion started it, as I said. But initially, they were not enemies, because there's no reason for them to be.

How is any enemy made? When opinions collide.

People don't have to be enemies just because their opinions differ. A clashing of ideas does not always end up with grudges being held on one or both sides. I can disagree with someone without holding anything against them. Like right now! :lol: (I have no beef with lord_mordain.) Are we enemies now, just because we disagree on a few points? I don't feel that way and I certainly hope you don't either.

When it comes to scientific pursuit, religious dogma DOES interfere. When it comes to religious dogma, I as an Atheist DO interfere. It is a war.

They seem to not get along at this juncture, I agree with you there, but again, science was not invented to attack religion. Christains need to realize this, humbly accept it, and stop trying to get science "shut down".

Furthermore, as you said, Science does try to put truth to everything, religion lets the Deity of God explain it. Science does require constant learning, but religion puts an end to that with "Faith". We argue about it constantly, and the outcome of war was really inevitable.

Only because people are gullible and believe what their religion feeds them. If we can enlighten them to what we know is really going on, we can end that war. I think ignorance is more the enemy here. Religion would fade away without a peep if it's followers could somehow be awakened to reality.

I questioned your "definitions" because I don't really think you've taken in all that there is to be considered. I could throw a wall of text at you, but I'm not that patient and I like to be concise.

Walls of text rule. When segmented with paragraphs. Don't you like to read? I do (if it's interesting). :)

You do seem to agree with e on one thing though, they threw the first stone.

Yep.

Look up the meaning of the word "semantics" BTW.

I know what it means, thanks.[/QUOTE]

Deity_Slapper

I still don't think you do.

And some of your statements either agree with me while trying to refute, (not counting those that actually agree) and/or contradict themselves. Highlighted in green.

Anyways, I have no beef with you either, this thing is born of something anal. Oh well. I have a felling we're really on the same side of the subject.

But I'm out of booze. My comments need to go bye bye.

I gree with everyone that avoid soda.

Why drink soda when there's beer?

[QUOTE="lord_mordain"]

But Religion vs. Science is adequate.Deity_Slapper

Oh, and I forgot to say, "Religion vs. Science" is NOT adequate, because as I just said, they are not enemies. Science is just attempting to discover and explain how EVERYTHING works. Most of the things scientists seek knowledge of, has nothing to do with religion, or the debunking of religion. I have no clue how people decided that science was an enemy of religion. Must have been the religious folks who started this war with science, because science was just minding it's own business making discoveries, and when some discoveries came about that noticably clashed with religious beliefs, it was the religious who got all tied up in a knot that something would even exist that could question their creator...thus, they threw the first stone (ironically), when they started to claim that science is the devil, or the study of satan (yes I've actually heard it referred to that way, by crazy fundies), and what not.

Science DOES NOT exist to debunk religious beliefs.

Religion is just pissed that some of their flaws were put in the spotlight, and even more embarrassing, it was inadvertent. When scientists set out to determine the meaning behind something, they're not out to get religion. It's not their fault that some of the things they inevitably discover HAPPENS TO clash with some of the christians' inherited dogmatic beliefs. And people noticed. That's all. Christians and other religious folk should just realize and accept that not everything they were told is true, and to keep their minds open for what might really be going on...

Learning never ends...so religions are ridiculous to think they have found all the answers already. That would suck though, wouldn't it? If we knew everything already, and we're just here, alive, killing time without a thing to do other than prepare for a meeting with Mr. Perfect? Think about it - If religions had everything figured out already, and god sees it, then isn't it game over at that point?

Religious folk- "Ok god, we figured it out!"

God - "Ok good! Finally we can move on to the next step of my plan!"

If religions have everything sewn up, wouldn't god notice, and then just expedite the process of going to "Judgement Day"? Right? Otherwise, what are we all doing just sitting around and waiting for? What's taking god so long?

They are enemies.

How is any enemy made? When opinions collide.

No, it's not always intentional, but it is the way it happens.

When it comes to scientific pursuit, religious dogma DOES interfere. When it comes to religious dogma, I as an Atheist DO interfere. It is a war.

Furthermore, as you said, Science does try to put truth to everything, religion lets the Deity of God explain it. Science does require constant learning, but religion puts an end to that with "Faith". We argue about it constantly, and the outcome of war was really inevitable.

I questioned your "definitions" because I don't really think you've taken in all that there is to be considered. I could throw a wall of text at you, but I'm not that patient and I like to be concise.

You do seem to agree with me on one thing though, they threw the first stone.

But that's neither here nor there.

Look up the meaning of the word "semantics" BTW.

[QUOTE="suicidalpoptrt"][QUOTE="lord_mordain"][QUOTE="suicidalpoptrt"][QUOTE="lord_mordain"]

Damn, after re-reading that incoherent babble 5 times I found a good question....

I'd pass, I have a kid to worry about and I can't risk condemning him too.

mrbojangles25

Well, I should add "kids" to that, we're expecting. :P

It's just that the money would be great, but my death would mean their misery.

You need a Daddy.

ya dude, congratz.

if its a boy, name him Brutus

If its a girl, name her Succubus

I hate the boy name...

But I like the girl...

Lemme run it by the wife....

No...

She didn't like it.

But I did.

[QUOTE="lord_mordain"][QUOTE="suicidalpoptrt"][QUOTE="lord_mordain"]

Damn, after re-reading that incoherent babble 5 times I found a good question....

I'd pass, I have a kid to worry about and I can't risk condemning him too.

suicidalpoptrt

Well, I should add "kids" to that, we're expecting. :P

It's just that the money would be great, but my death would mean their misery.

You need a Daddy.

Thank you very much!

I'd walk away no matter what. Unless the percentage was lowered to zero, and if it was I'd either give away all the money (yes, all of it) for charity, or save it to start a foundation to help people.

I'm in complete belief that 10 million dollars would in no way bring me happiness if I simply used it or saved it for myself.

PotatoSandWitch

You're like, 10 right?

Jesus, you have to realize such a sum of money would greatly benefit you, and those around you particularly if you're generous.

Don't go so cookie-cutter with your post.

[QUOTE="lord_mordain"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

For some reason, this misconception that Science and Religion are opponents is shared among many. It's not the case.

The real "battle" is, Religion vs. Truth.

Deity_Slapper

Semantics....

To add to that, you're probably wrong....

If your going to compare truth, it's going to have to go against something like a lie...

Maybe Fiction vs. Non-Fiction....

But Religion vs. Science is adequate.

You misinterpereted the meaning of my post, but that's ok. I'll explain.

If you're looking for truth, it can never be found within the confines of an oppressive structure such as religion. You'd have to break out of prepared mindstates and leave yourself open to anything, in order to find truth in anything. Therefore, religion is the enemy of ultimate truth - as it encourages you to NOT seek enlightenment outside of it's own borders.

You misinterpreted my post.

It's alright.

Sorry for going over your head.

PHIL COLINS!!!

Sorry people...

I have a condition...

id hold that off till i was like 40 then do itLord_Ifrit

Good point.

What age am I when I'm asked.

If right now, I stand by what I said.

If I'm 90, LET'S SPIN THE WHEEL!!!!

All the girls at my school are either taken or really annoying. Seriously in my grade there are only 2 cool girls. Being a Freshman guy doesn't do much for you either, although I will be a Sophmore so that might do more.eric252

My tip, PURSUE ANY INTEREST.

You said two girls, which implies you like two girls.

I was shy in school and all that got me was knowing after the fact a few girls I liked liked me to.

You're the guy, INITIATE.

You'll get shot down, but it's an easier way.