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#1 lord_mordain
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[QUOTE="lord_mordain"]

Damn, after re-reading that incoherent babble 5 times I found a good question....

I'd pass, I have a kid to worry about and I can't risk condemning him too.

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LOL...I would defiantly try my luck.

Well, I should add "kids" to that, we're expecting. :P

It's just that the money would be great, but my death would mean their misery.

You need a Daddy.

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For some reason, this misconception that Science and Religion are opponents is shared among many. It's not the case.

The real "battle" is, Religion vs. Truth.

Deity_Slapper

Semantics....

To add to that, you're probably wrong....

If your going to compare truth, it's going to have to go against something like a lie...

Maybe Fiction vs. Non-Fiction....

But Religion vs. Science is adequate.

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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="honkyjoe"]All the major Corporations functioned just fine without the internet 30 years ago? I think that science has helped us escape the horrible times that is the Dark Ages and so forth I just think that in the last 40-50 years all we have done is make life more complicated and confusing.mrbojangles25


Problem for you is, we can never step back in time. And I don't see how streamlining things makes them "more complicated and confusing."

Well lets say you are a 18th century farmer. All you need to know is how to plant your crop, harvest your crop, rinse and repeat. The only thing you had to worry about were unstable weather, pests, and the government taking control of your land..That was about it.

Now..You have the same farmer today. He has to worry about much much more. Not only does he have to worry about the things the 18th century farmer has to worry about but he also has to worry anout Mechanical Issues with Machinery, Gas and fuel, and lots of workers. Not to mention all the things like Cell Phones, Computers, Televisions, etc..That could break down or stress him out. Im not saying this new form of life is bad because its the exact opposite. Its a great life but to the 18th century farmers son that was a great life for him too(I would imagine). He knew he would take his place as the farmer after his dad where in todays society the only restraint on a good education of anything for that matter is Money.

you really need to educate yourself about agriculture.

In the 18th century, a farmer had about eight kids. If he was lucky, one or two would be daughters and the rest would be sons, and if he was blessed none of them would die before the age of three (which was commonplace). The kids likely never received any education, and the mother did chores all day.

As for the father? He worked in the fields from the time the rooster crowed (about 6am) until it was too dark to see.

And that...was...all...he...did.

My best friend is the son of a farmer. I met him at college. His dad worked his butt off; he worked as a farmer all through his childhood, went to college, graduated, and became a partner in a farm. He got to hire some people to do work for him while he managed them. He would go around and solve specific problems, but he never had to bend over the soil or till the ground again.

My friend's dad now owns his own orchard. All he has to worry about is logistics. Meanwhile, his family lives in a very nice house and he can afford to send his four kids to great colleges. They also have a 45k work truck, a Porsche Cayenne S, a 1960s GTO, a truck with a 454 crate engine installed. My friend has a Jeep Wrangler (about 24k), his little brother owns a nice lowered Chevy truck, and the daughter a nice compact. This is a family of seven, and they own about 10 cars with an average cost of 35 grand.

The only comparison that can be made between the modern American farmer and the 18th century farmer is that they both grow crops of some kind. Now, if you wanted to compare the migrant farm worker (not farmer, they dont have the skill and knowledge to be called farmers most of the time) to the 18th century, then you can make some more comparions. But even then.

And they owe all of it to science, and none of it to religion. Thats not to say religion does not play a role in their lives, but for all practical purposes it is useless to them.

True on at least one point...

Praying never yielded consistent crops...

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Damn, after re-reading that incoherent babble 5 times I found a good question....

I'd pass, I have a kid to worry about and I can't risk condemning him too.

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#5 lord_mordain
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Deep topic.

YOU LIGHT THEM ON FIRE!!!

Ok, now that that's out of the way.

I agree in large part with the notions put forth here. The idea that single mothers have the benefit of senior discounts is actually a very good one I don't think I've heard before.

But the question is simpler than that, pull the plug or not?

It's as subjective a moral choice as any, and as such, it's never about right or wrong. Long term care coupled by low probability of recovery certainly make the choice clear, pull. But more than being about money, which concerns the "long term care" part, it's about the "probability of recovery". If a reasonable or even semi-reasonable chance exist, don't we owe it to ourselves to find out if we can achieve yet another year or not?

Weigh the cost of everything. And never forget the gains of success.

God I'm drunk right now...

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I do know that Mentos only makes one diet version explode.
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="honkyjoe"]All the major Corporations functioned just fine without the internet 30 years ago? I think that science has helped us escape the horrible times that is the Dark Ages and so forth I just think that in the last 40-50 years all we have done is make life more complicated and confusing.honkyjoe


Problem for you is, we can never step back in time. And I don't see how streamlining things makes them "more complicated and confusing."

Well lets say you are a 18th century farmer. All you need to know is how to plant your crop, harvest your crop, rinse and repeat. The only thing you had to worry about were unstable weather, pests, and the government taking control of your land..That was about it.

Now..You have the same farmer today. He has to worry about much much more. Not only does he have to worry about the things the 18th century farmer has to worry about but he also has to worry anout Mechanical Issues with Machinery, Gas and fuel, and lots of workers. Not to mention all the things like Cell Phones, Computers, Televisions, etc..That could break down or stress him out. Im not saying this new form of life is bad because its the exact opposite. Its a great life but to the 18th century farmers son that was a great life for him too(I would imagine). He knew he would take his place as the farmer after his dad where in todays society the only restraint on a good education of anything for that matter is Money.

Oh, BTW, you forgot that 18th century farmer needs to worry about dying at 35 vs. today's standard of 75.

Oh, and that his simple method yielded a crop that can feed a small village vs. today's "complicated" crops which generate food nation wide.

It's not so black and white. Except when you realize we have made progress... slowly.

It would go much faster without religion in the way though.

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Captain Crunch!

I love broken glass!!!!

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#10 lord_mordain
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I don't believe in either. We will never know how we were created, so I don't see the point in getting involved in religion or science. Neither side really makes total sense to me either.Zaeryn

Good point.

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