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#1  Edited By MANd0n
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@suicidesn0wman said:

@ryanweinmann: If you're going to target a specific console, maybe you could research some of them on youtube before you decide. Otherwise, if no specific platform is chosen, why not just buy anything retro you find affordable? If you remain patient, check local thrift stores for games, go to garage sales, maybe even pawn shops, you will find a lot of entertainment for pennies on the dollar over time, and once in a while a real gem will land in your lap. Spend some time learning what is out there, what is valuable, what is fun, and when you happen to find a gem hiding in a thrift store or garage sale, pounce on it!

I would say from 40% up to maybe 60% of my game collection came from garage sales or thrift stores.

Can't stress enough the benefit of checking local ads and searching thrift shops. I got a $50 NES that way. Two controllers and two games, and a $15 Mario World Cartridge.

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@Heirren said:
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I 100%ed the game when it came out. Never used guides for anything, or understood why people disliked the blue coins so much.

They're hidden in such random places and it's a chore to find them.. that's why. I mean spraying a random wall with FLUDD? Seriously?

I don't recall that. I'm more of a Mario 64 person so I don't have Sunshine on the mind as well. Can't believe how much I've forgotten of 64. But for Sunshine blue coins isn't it more spraying an X or O, or pictures/objects in the hub world?

Yeah some of them are like that - others are hidden.. and I mean reaaaaally hidden. Like, hidden in places you'd never think to look.

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@Heirren said:

I 100%ed the game when it came out. Never used guides for anything, or understood why people disliked the blue coins so much.

They're hidden in such random places and it's a chore to find them.. that's why. I mean spraying a random wall with FLUDD? Seriously?

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Has anybody here done it? I've been trying reaaaaaaaally hard but searching every nook and cranny in all 8 levels of the same map is tedious as ****. I don't know what Nintendo was thinking. Usually getting 100% completion in a Mario game is fun and rewarding.. I'm not feeling it here.

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@jsmoke03 said:
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@Renegade_Fury said:
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No, you still had to do it yourself in order to win. Cheating to me is using codes, hacks, or save states, and that's really it.

But like, do you think looking up videos to navigate a maze of a level or finding secrets takes away from the core experience of playing a game and discovering everything naturally? I know I didn't really do it until world 8 but I can't help but feel like I didn't do the right thing. Especially since I used a walkthrough to avoid an outcome [game over] that would have occurred because I wasn't skilled enough to do it naturally.

No, not at all, because finding items or lives, and navigating a path doesn't pertain to skill. The way I see it, the only thing looking up that stuff did was save you some time.

Touche. Thanks dude, that makes me feel better about the whole thing. :D

lol why do you feel the need for someone else to validate what you did? if you feel guilty or uncomfortable about it, your mind is telling you that you cheated

for me, after trying something a couple of times and failing so i look up strategies. Its the same as if a friend was sitting next to me getting pointers.

and if i'm lost for awhile, i look up a walkthrough so i can find where i'm going. This is handy since most retro games dont always tell you where to go or i might have accidentally press the speech ffw button and missed the location im supposed to go to lol

It's part of my disorder. I have crippling OCD. lol. Even if I'm half-consciously aware that something isn't a big deal, I still get a sinking feeling and I need [like you said] some form of validation from others to snap out of my obsessive thinking. I just hold Mario 3 in such high regard that I was worried I cheated myself out of the true M3 experience, which I could never get back now that I know how to navigate world 8's castle. It even sounds stupid saying it out loud - so I can imagine how dumb this thread looks from the outside looking in.

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@MuD3 said:

@mand0n: The game guide yes.... but seeing how someone else does something isn't really the same as researching the proper way to do something. It does take away some of the enjoyment of figuring something out for yourself but it shouldn't give you the bad feeling you get when you had to look something up, unless you watched with the intent of figuring out how to do it yourself.

Well the Nintendo Power game guide was basically a map of the game, showing where all the secrets and alternate routes were found. Essentially reading it back when the game came out gave the same outcome as watching a video guide. And honestly I only did it for two sections of the game, and only after trying numerous times and getting dangerously close to a game over.

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@mand0n: Yeah, that's cheating if you ask me, but who cares?

I should clarify that it's cheating yourself not really cheating the game.

But to be fair, it's not much different than seeing an older sibling beat a level or reading the nintendo power game guide in the 90s though, right?

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@Renegade_Fury said:
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No, you still had to do it yourself in order to win. Cheating to me is using codes, hacks, or save states, and that's really it.

But like, do you think looking up videos to navigate a maze of a level or finding secrets takes away from the core experience of playing a game and discovering everything naturally? I know I didn't really do it until world 8 but I can't help but feel like I didn't do the right thing. Especially since I used a walkthrough to avoid an outcome [game over] that would have occurred because I wasn't skilled enough to do it naturally.

No, not at all, because finding items or lives, and navigating a path doesn't pertain to skill. The way I see it, the only thing looking up that stuff did was save you some time.

Touche. Thanks dude, that makes me feel better about the whole thing. :D

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@Renegade_Fury said:

No, you still had to do it yourself in order to win. Cheating to me is using codes, hacks, or save states, and that's really it.

But like, do you think looking up videos to navigate a maze of a level or finding secrets takes away from the core experience of playing a game and discovering everything naturally? I know I didn't really do it until world 8 but I can't help but feel like I didn't do the right thing. Especially since I used a walkthrough to avoid an outcome [game over] that would have occurred because I wasn't skilled enough to do it naturally.

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I just beat Super Mario 3 on my NES for the first time in my life - but there's a catch. At the very last world I was down to 10 lives and I didn't want to get another game over after spending 3 hours getting this far.

So for world 8-1 I looked up a video walkthrough and found the secret pipe that contains 3 lives. After that I used a p-wing on World 8-2 since I saved up a ton of them and looked up another video guide to get through the castle before the very last level, since that place is like a maze.

I'm kind of OCD about my gaming accomplishments, and I know I should have this huge rush of dopamine from beating one of my all time favourite childhood games for the first time, but I don't feel it - because I'm worried my victory was tarnished by using guides.

So my question is this. Did I cheat by looking up a guide? Or is that an acceptable part of the experience? Like if you were 9 years old and you saw your older siblings beat a level and you learned a new trick in the process.