It all hinges on the definition, and personally I think distinguishing games by country of origin is stupid, so it must go to the style of the game. I will take what Kevin-V said before about Demon's Souls:

[QUOTE="Kevin-V"]

Assuming you disregard where and by whom this game was made, it is clearly a Western RPG. If this game were made by a European or American developer, this conversation wouldn't be happening, as its gameplay is entirely hack-and-slash-style role-playing. However, as games become more and more difficult to classify, I'm intrigued by the opposing viewpoint; however, I don't necessarily understand it. Fully real-time hack-and-slash, non-party combat, within the world proper and not a confined arena; a character creator in which you customize your appearance and choose a class; online integration (and inspired integration, at that); and none of the extreme story integration of JRPGs.

Of greater note is the title, which drives me insane from a grammar standpoint. It should be "Demons' Souls," as it does not refer to the many souls of a single demon, but the souls of many demons.

SaltyMeatballs

I agree with him, clearly plays like a WRPG, but it's made in Japan so people classify it as a JRPG? That wouldn't really help me if I was looking for a good WRPG and Demon's Souls would qualify with flying colours. He also makes some other points in that thread.

http://uk.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27041655&page=0

You show the point very well, WRPG and JRPG invoke an idea of what a game is like, as you say with looking for a good WRPG, this pretty much proves they talk about a category and not a place of origin.

I don't agree that WRPG or JRPG are genres, more like **** of a certain genre. I still prefer the terms console-****and pc-****RPGs.

ZIVX

[QUOTE="mario_gamer"][QUOTE="AncientDozer"] And why are french fries called french when they are Belgian?

I never said those things weren't moronic, did I? These things are entirely foolish and misleading but I DO know the history of either food and the reason they are called thus are entirely based upon mistake.

We call Chinese Food chinese food even though most of it is technically only loosely based on cuisine from Asia.

In fact, most of it was invented for Westerners. In effect, all these names that are clearly wrong are based on ignorance and mistaken thought.

AncientDozer

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="AncientDozer"] Thank you, Kanye, you put it better than me. [QUOTE="mario_gamer"]

[QUOTE="AncientDozer"]I disagree entirely because it's nonsensical and moronic to call something a "JRPG" and then go on to say "oh, we use geographic locations even though it has nothing to do with where it's from". Japanese Role playing game? Really? It tells us NOTHING except that it's a Role playing game and somehow related to Japan. Western Role playing game tells us NOTHING except that it's a role playing game that has something to do with the West. Heh, the first Japanese Role Playing Games were made in the West? I think someone had too many to drink. When you ****fy something, it has to make sense. It has to be reasonable. An MMORPG is called an MMO because it is massively multiplayer and online. This we can understand. We can walk away and say "yes, this is a multiplayer game with lots of people in it unlike other genres and sub genres". When we see "FPS", we understand immediately that it is a "First Person Shooter" and that means we're in the first person and we shoot things somehow unlike a Third Person Shooter where we are in the third person. However, looking at at Japanese Role Playing Games, a reasonable person would assume that such a game would come from Japan because it quite clearly identifies the country or culture of the Japanese. In other words it's a poor "genre" ****fication to suggest anything else. Certainly the Japanese do not call their games "Japanese RPGs", they call them RPGs. As I come to understand it, really only "hardcore" elitist diehard RPG fans use the archaic names and, hey, why bother with them.AncientDozer

I never said those things weren't moronic, did I? These things are entirely foolish and misleading but I DO know the history of either food and the reason they are called thus are entirely based upon mistake.

We call Chinese Food chinese food even though most of it is technically only loosely based on cuisine from Asia.

In fact, most of it was invented for Westerners. In effect, all these names that are clearly wrong are based on ignorance and mistaken thought.

I disagree entirely because it's nonsensical and moronic to call something a "JRPG" and then go on to say "oh, we use geographic locations even though it has nothing to do with where it's from". Japanese Role playing game? Really? It tells us NOTHING except that it's a Role playing game and somehow related to Japan. Western Role playing game tells us NOTHING except that it's a role playing game that has something to do with the West. Heh, the first Japanese Role Playing Games were made in the West? I think someone had too many to drink. When you classify something, it has to make sense. It has to be reasonable. An MMORPG is called an MMO because it is massively multiplayer and online. This we can understand. We can walk away and say "yes, this is a multiplayer game with lots of people in it unlike other genres and sub genres". When we see "FPS", we understand immediately that it is a "First Person Shooter" and that means we're in the first person and we shoot things somehow unlike a Third Person Shooter where we are in the third person. However, looking at at Japanese Role Playing Games, a reasonable person would assume that such a game would come from Japan because it quite clearly identifies the country or culture of the Japanese. In other words it's a poor "genre" classification to suggest anything else. Certainly the Japanese do not call their games "Japanese RPGs", they call them RPGs. As I come to understand it, really only "hardcore" elitist diehard RPG fans use the archaic names and, hey, why bother with them.AncientDozer

Saying something like Demons souls is a JRPG because it was made in Japan is like calling a Pizza made in England English food, it's still Italian no matter where it's made.

[QUOTE="Videodogg"]

Kinect is pretty cool. The whole body control is doing things that Wii always tried to emulate or even insinuate that it could do, but cant. In terms of motion control, the Wii is losing the battle it started.

Its not just Kinect versus Wii, its Xbox360 WITH Kinect versus Wii, and the excitement and forward momentum is now with 360/Kinect. I think we are going to see a lot of good third party support for Kinect versus the Wii.

OhSnapitz

This statement speaks volumes.. I think a a lot of fanboys are loosing site of the fact that both the PS3 and 360 have motion bundles available for purchase. When you purchase a bundle and or component, you can't simply negate the core system's entire library of games.

[QUOTE="General_X"]Remind me what mod was Half-Life and Half-Life 2 + Eps based off of?

Other than the name and classes Valve took complete control of the development of TF2, which is far superior than TFC.

The Portal team was originally working a medieval adventure game that used "magical" portals before Valve hired them to make Portal from scratch.

I was under the impression that the idea for Left 4 Dead was based on a custom Counter Strike game mode, but the rest of the production was completely done by Valve. I'm curious where you heard otherwise because my info comes from the developer commentary. Also you might have an argument for CS 1.6, but Counter Strike Source was completely done by the mod team after they were hired by Valve. Only CS 1.6 and TFC were games that "Valve just slapped a logo on." The rest were made by developers firmly under the Valve umbrella.rawr89

yea, they took over TF2, but TF2 wouldnt be released if there were no Team Fortress 1. so what's your point there?

clearly, you dont see the irony. Portal wasn't made from scratch. it was taken from the ideas of a group of students. so you're saying that an idea of a bunch of people, who released a game no one knew about, and suddenly get hired by a big company only to re-release the same game (yes, they are the same game), and now you're telling me that the big company is the one who made the game? oh please.

again, no. Turtle Rock was making the game i.e. not a part of Valve, not a subsidiary, not a sister company, nothing. and in the middle of the production, Valve hired them. Valve only had a hand in marketing. you can say that they're 'technically' Valve when the game was released, but still, Valve was in no way the ones heading the creative process.

as ive said, Valve was only hiring people who already had released a game, or were making a game. and for me, that doesn't make Valve the greatest developer there is. if you hire people based on their creativity, and by that you get the credit to the final product, can you really say you're great at making games?

Old, and if you feel this is a problem, start treating people on the internet with the respect that you would if you met them face to face and things will work out just fine.

Dire_Weasel

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="Santesyu"] it could be actually bad for the girl gamers out there, I don't think this is a good ideal. Sandvichman

This is the internet man. They kow what they're getting into. We're simply not civil people, regardless of gender.

Read this for absolute proof that this is a bad idea:

http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/Americans-are-bad-at-games/Real-Names-on-the-Official-Forums-New-REAL-ID-function?gr_i_ni