@No_Hablo_Ingles: Exactly. I know I've been known to go on "anti-Jordan" rants, but it's really anti Jordan hype, can't stand it. Why, because I view myself as a true and long time fan of the pro game. It's just not right for past (and present) greats to have their skills, accomplishments and era diminished in order to hold up all-things MJ as "The Greatest", especially since there is no such thing.

If other greats like Oscar Robertson or Jabbar speak out against the MJ hype some view them as bitter or jealous. I don't blame them, with what they and others brought to the game in their era's they shouldn't have to take a back seat to Jordan. Why do current great players have to win 6 rings to be compared to MJ? Why is his 6 the standard and not Russell's 11? Why should I be overly impressed with MJ's defensive player of the year award when one article I read said Alcindor/Jabbar should have won 3 of them but the award didn't exist at the time (another reason the comparisons are ridiculous and unfair).

I think the "next Jordan" has already come and is almost gone, Kobe. Kobe was the new breed of player. Just like MJ added better shooting and tough defense to what Dr. J brought to the game, Kobe added 3pt shooting, and an amazing array of shot making ability/ball handling/foot work...etc. I agree with Phil Jackson, who agreed that Kobe was more skilled or talented than MJ. It doesn't mean the accomplishments will the same or greater, too many different circumstances. Now Lebron's size, court vision/play making, defensive versatility has added something else.

I look forward to who's next and what they will add, but much of what I hear is ..."he ain't Jordan". Jordan doesn't help with his periodic comments about today's game and players and how he could do this or that........and people slurp it up like he came down from heaven with some great decree.........yeah, it's tough to like him.

@mdk12345: "How could he be hype when he controlled the game in Godly ways? He got whatever he wanted! 70 wins in a season."

Didn't say "hype", overhyped. As No_Hablo said, MJ is not just hype, he deserves some of it, but it's gotten ridiculous!

"He controlled the game in Godly ways"? I think winning 11 rings in 13 seasons is closer to controlling the game is Godly ways as Bill Russell and the Celtics did. Wilt owns 72 NBA records,and basically owns the NBA record book, it's not even close to being close, that's closer to Godly dominance. Why didn't Wilt win more rings, same reason MJ didn't win in the 80's. It's a team sport, and there were dominant teams ahead of theirs.

Did MJ control the league Russell/Wilt played in? Did he control the one Bird and Magic played in, no, he couldn't break through until they were in decline (and the Pistons were worn out from the fight against the Celtics and Lakers). How can one be the greatest when he didn't play through all the other great players and their teams and dominate them?

"He got whatever he wanted" Yep, when he became the NBA darling and poster boy, he sure did, and thats a shame (did you watch the video?)

"70 (72) win season" Decline of the great teams, expansion era, league favoritism, closer 3pt line (with some great 3pt shooters) equal 72 win season.

MJ becomes overhyped/overrated when the circumstances of his accomplishments are not considered. 6 rings? Name the greatest teams of All Time and I'm sure none of the teams MJ beat in the finals would make the top 15, probably not 20. How many rings would Magic have if there were no great Cetic team and vice versa? How many would Wilt and Russell if thye didn't have to face there all time great teams? How many would MJ have if all things were the same except he entered the league the same time as Bird and Magic in the 80's, 1, maybe 2, maybe zero (like Elgin Baylor) who was unfortunate to play during the Russell/Chamberlain era. Given their talent and great teams, Bird, Magic, Wilt, Russell and some others would all be undefeated in the finals if they could face the competion MJ faced. MJ beat some good teams in the finals, but not all time great teams.

MJ's 10 scoring titles? Also 9 times leading the NBA in FGA's, which usually goes unmentioned.

"MJ would score 100 in todays game" No he wouldn't, he didn't even score 100 during his expansion era, with his high fga's, and having a steady dose smaller/undersized 2 guards. MJ said Joe Dumars guarded him the best. Dumars was 6'3"/ 195....Melo, Durant, Kobe, Lebron, Wade would kill Joe Dumars (as much as I like him), John Starks too.

It just goes on and on...MJ would average 40 today, no. MJ would beat Lebron, and other great players today, no. He had trouble guarding 6'9" Magic Johnson, but he would handle Lebron?? No. Hersey Hawkins, Mitch Richmond, Reggie Miller and others scored big on MJ (25+ points) even during MJ's defensive prime, but MJ would handle Kobe, Lebron, Durant, Wade...etc in their primes..no.

Just my opinion, but Jordan is overhyped and overrated, his career has become a myth.

@No_Hablo_Ingles:

"Please don't make the "LeBron gets calls argument" when you are arguing for Jordan...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M-KCulzJqg"

Good video that illustrates what I (and others) have been saying for years. I don't know why the Jordan "thing" (the hype, worship, the Jordanatics...etc.) still amazes or even interests me, but it does. To see grown men (and women I presume) continue to fall all over MJ and act like everythng MJ is beyond reproach (when a fair analysis shows otherwise) is funny and amazing to me.

One of the worse things about it, as video states towards the end, is that some can't appreciate the great talents that other players have brought to the game, that's a real shame. Basketball didn't start, nor will it end with MJ. MJ was great, but imo is the most overhyped, overrated player ever.

Now that Kobes near the end, I look forward to seeing what Anthony Davis will become, he's looked GREAT at times, (and Lebron certainly should be appreciated for what he can do).

@monkeytoes61: "Different players, different eras, impossible to compare. Get. Over. It."

Bravo!

Congrats Duncan (and Co.) for another ring.

Great 2nd half for Lebron (offense and defense), good win. Once again he passes to Bosh late in the game and Bosh hits the shot this time. Lebron got undue criticizism last game for passing to Bosh.....I wish people would stop the comparisons to Jordan, Lebron is GREAT in his own right and in his own way.

He's not the GOAT. No arguement over video ads, just clarification, didn't know it was an ad. If it was obvious that it was, enlighten me as to how.

mont13

I certainly don't need to "man up", about what? And calm down?? Don't need to do that either. Anything I've ever posted here has been with a laugh and a smile. Like talking sports in a barber shop, I'm not trippin over any of it. I don't take it that serious. After I posted the above I went fishing with my nephew without a care or concern about this. But I do have opinions, and sometimes I express them.

Sorry, I haven't seen any ads, the first time I saw the video was here, with no indication of the context. I took it for what it appeared to be. Not gonna feel bad or apologize for something I didn't know. All I asked for was an indication that it was an ad, since it was said to be so obvious. Now I'm done with it.

Btw, Jordan is not the GOAT, but I respect the opinion of those who think he is, I just disagree.

When you're the GOAT you reserve the right to be an arrogant dick. And :lol: at ppl arguing over video game advertisements.

36Ounces

He's not the GOAT. No arguement over video ads, just clarification, didn't know it was an ad. If it was obvious that it was, enlighten me as to how.

Did I say anything about you? I was laughin at the ppl on that youtube link arguing over the best team ever. And yes he is GOAT, according to most ppl that follow b-ball.

You also didn't say "ppl on that youtube link" initially either. It was more logical to think you were talking about the recent/previous posts. Not impressed by "according to most people", doesn't necessarily equal truth.

When you're the GOAT you reserve the right to be an arrogant dick. And :lol: at ppl arguing over video game advertisements.

36Ounces

He's not the GOAT. No arguement over video ads, just clarification, didn't know it was an ad. If it was obvious that it was, enlighten me as to how.

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

Holy hell it was an advertisement for a video game ffs

The commercials leading up to its release had people arguing over the goat team

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWYReltxHio

TheWalkingGhost

It wasn't posted as an advertisement. Nothing in the video that I see or hear indicates it's an advertisement. I haven't seen any commercials leading up to any release.......exactly how is it obvious? I even did a short search to try to find out exactly when MJ said those things and the circumstances surrounding it, didn't find anything. Sounds exactly like something Jordan would say imo, I could easily see MJ making a video like that.

That video didn't convince me of Jordan's arrogance, it was just more confirmation of it. Now that I know it was an ad, cool, whatever. Even without that video I believe everything I posted is true.

I don't have a problem with anyone disagreeing, criticizing or even harshly criticizing any thing I post. But in this case a better response would have been "Not sure if you know this was an advertisement", "Are you aware that this was an ad..." But whatever, post what you want, I did.