apparently work done prior to doing work doesn't count now?

@waahahah: Wasn't Crytek mostly responsible for the original prototype video in the kickstarter campaign?

Oh so now you guys are agreeing that choices made in 2011 dictated what they did with 2 million + afterwards. Well thanks for confirming that development started in 2011... potentially 2010...

You realize they had plenty of money to start from scratch... and now plenty of time to develop technology for the game they wanted to make... Except it was poor planning with scope creep and the project quickly outgrew the capabilities of CE3... which is easy to point out now that they have rewritten OVER 50% of it. (I can't find the link but I think it came from RSI...). If you truly believe they are talented devs... They probably could have made either work. But they focused on getting something they could SHOW let alone focusing on prototyping a working game and thats what CE3 gave them. Marketing over actual technical solutions.

Its totally impossible to create your own game engine custom designed for your specific needs... its so much better to rewrite everything in another game engine and refactor things constantly because of a moving target! The latter is almost certainly the more expensive option... although a lot of that has to do with moving target aspect...

the development/project started in 2011... its on their website... Also they have been constantly ramping up... so by your standards it takes 20 people to be considered in development? Thats dumb and completely inconsiderate to sub 20 person teams... go tell them they aren't working.

They probably would have been better off creating their own game engine... you say they wouldn't have been able to write their own but much smaller teams have... The problem is they started out with a wild moving target so making their own game engine was a feasable solution when you don't know what your making... even in 2016... nearly 6 years when the project started they changed from 50-100 to 1000s of players... If they really had something working that well you think they would have had more than 2 people in the last demo shown off....

You are making excuses... at the end of the day between poor decision making, lack of having the bodies and experience to take on a project like this with all of the scope creep. While the major feature sets have stayed the same all the in game mechanics are wildly more complex then. The scope creep completely changed how well CE3 would have worked ie, the first half of their development was probably thrown out because it was no longer suitable for the game they were promising.

WoW spent about I think 8 years in development before release, so they had plenty of time to do R&D. Your assertion that RSI has had more time is factually wrong. Same with money... but the problem is they are trading on faith with customers at this point (although I heard rumors they have investors now...). They may need more time and that again comes down to how willing customers can be strung along with the scope creep ramifications. So 3.0 has to deliver... its a miracle patch because its what will allow them to finish the game by 2020 basically.. At this point wow probably has had 20 years... They are less likely to be successful because they dont' have infinite time/money like you believe. And the time wasted on scope creep / refactoring is pretty obvious... so the 3.0 HAS to deliver to keep people's faith in the project.

Don't get me wrong... I really want this game to work... but I think had they stuck with a sp campaign first with the features and made a simple MP game like battlefield level people they could have a game released now with a legitimate post mortem on this type of tech to start building an MMO with it.

Because the fact of the matter is we have no clue what their time table is, that is for the share holders and upper people within the company, we are not privy to that information.. We have no clue what their time table is or how many resources they put into it.. We know what they have put in SC they have a time table, etc etc.. We don't even know how big their current dev team is when it comes to the cyberpunk game.. They pitch these ideas to the SHAREHOLDERS, they have all the information in which they can shutter projects through pressure of company heads when they have doubts.. You are basically comparing a game you have absolutely no clue about the development to a publically backed game that is suppose to be extremely transparent..

Early development is always small teams. You can't give 370 people work if you don't know what you're building and don't have a plan. Think of building a sky scrapper, do you think you can hand 300 construction workers materials and they'll just start putting it together?

.... Why the hell are people comparing these devs to CD Project Red? Cyberpunk 2077 to my knowledge is not crowdfunded and the only people they have a responsibility to are the shareholders/owners of the company.. SC.. Is crowdfunded, and backed with consumer money that they can't even get a refund any more due to a recent contract change.. Please stop comparing the two.

Prototyping is a very large part of game development... especially early on to get an idea of the game and planning out the rest of what needs to be done, even if they don't use the assets/code they made they still learned from the prototyping experience.. do you understand how design/engineering works at all?

The single player is leveraging the technology from SC, again, they are still producing R&D for both games basically. To believe they are able to be in full production for sq42 is stupid.

I don't see how CD project red has anything to do with it or the fact that you are basically wrong, CD project red has had multiple games in development (witcher 3 and cyberpunk... were overlapping and have nothing they can really reuse in terms of assets).