Nikefreak, you should change your signature. It completely destroys your credibility. Especially when you call other people fanboys. There is no denying that many people will be upset by this if it turns out to be true, if you're not, that's fine, but you're not the only one with an "old" X-box 360 here. What happened to the "No real 1080p" fix Microsoft was working on? Is this it? I'm sorry, but to me it seems like people working at Microsoft are too quick with releasing new consoles without taking care of their older ones. Just look what happened to the original X-box when the 360 was released.Ah, an easy comment to respond to. My sig is just that, my opinion with truth behind it. Most of the negative aspects of the PS3 are attributable to their money grab attitude, correct? For example (And this will be the only I provide, solely for defending my signature)... Would it not have been to Sonys advantage to release the PS3 alongside the 360? Yes, of course it would have. Why did they not? Because they wanted to stick BluRay into it, furthering their hold on not only games, but movies as well, and even controlling the format they are both released on. Now, based on this decision, it has caused load times to increase, production costs to increase, device costs to increase, and caused the console to be delayed by over a year and more in some territories because of production problems with the BluRay laser diode. Was that a good business decision? No, it was a risk Sony was willing to take because of sinking sales in their other areas, and a gamble that if accepted, could have paid off for all of the PS3 development costs, sinking sales, etc. So, they took the risk, but instead, it resulted in more negatives than positives for Sony. However, Sony being very arrogant (And this is a shared opinion of many, based on how they talk in their PR releases, and the bogus information and info they use to try to push their products), will not listen to their customers, developers, even other industry execs and analysts... And because of that, they are riding themselves into the ground, over a simple decision, that has prevented the PS3 from becoming all that it should have. And further, yes of course Sony is still supporting the PS2... Its their bread and butter, as the PS3 couldnt support them at this time at least. But on the other hand, why should Microsoft support the XBOX still, when the 360 is thriving and taking on a life that the XBOX only dreamed of having. Look at Live Arcade, it was adopted in less than half of the projected time Microsoft thought, which resulted in a few hiccups at first, but then has changed into one of the largest and best ways to get Retro/Indie/New IP games that wouldnt have otherwise made it to being published and put on a shelf (Which costs quite a bit to do). See, what I say isnt crazy, misjudged, or misguided. I am simply forward looking and thinking, and realize what some want to dismiss or ignore. I am sorry that you in your misguided efforts are actually insuring the demise of the company you are defending.
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This just looks bogus to me. Although if it's true, this is my one major concern: Both Sony and Microsoft's consoles will then have HDCP protection built in by having an HDMI port (instead of the analog component output which has no such protection). This could open up the possibility that all HD discs could enable the ICT (Image Constraint Token) that limits HD discs to 480p over component cables. If this happens, then my lovely 360 HD-DVD player will only output 480p movies that use the ICT. This worries me a little and I hope that at the very least there is some sort of HDMI adapter that M$ makes to compensate for people that have the current 360's.ziduraWell, in that case, there are more reasons to worry about HD-DVD and BluRay than ICT... If the manufacturers took advantage of every bit of security on HD-DVD and BluRay (BR especially), it would be horrible for the movie industry, and would cause sales to plummet further than they already have. So, I highly doubt that will happen anytime in the future, or even successful enough to continue it after trying it once or twice lol...
[QUOTE="nikefreak"][QUOTE="Hotwad"]Oh get real... Get off your whine wagons and realize, Sony has done this for YEARS, Nintendo has done it for YEARS, There is nothing wrong with Microsoft improving the hardware as time goes on, and it becomes cheaper to make (Hence how they are able to NOW put larger drives and HDMI, if this is true, and they couldnt then. Its the COST, which they are making over 100.00 per console atm, so they can improve things and still make a profit. But yes, before you all go around screaming and toting guns, think about it logically... How many versions of the GB Advance were there? PS2? PS1? Gameboy? N64? (Colors mainly) Gamecube? (At least 2, as one has the ability to do EDTV, one doesnt (the newer ones removed the port to save money)... So if you get my point, nothing new, and you guys are obviously either Sony fanboys trying to puff up something trivial to whine about, or just people complaining because they dont always get whatever everyone else gets. If you want the new console THAT badly, then its YOUR responsibility to sell yours and go get another. No one elses. the point is you need to **** *** **** **. I just bought an xbox 360 and now im ******* PISSED! Sony re-made a PS2 into a slim-line with the addons towards the END of the cycle of the ps2, the x360 still has 4-5 years left in the cycle. There is a WORLD of diffence between the two, make no mistake about it. See this is the problem with so many Xbox Fanboys defending Microsoft, not only does Microsoft own a monopoly on almost everything PCs, they also monopolize peoples brains, especially x-box fanboys. How do they Do it? I mean it's not like you guys are getting paid to do it. you guys are Consumers. News like this is SUPPOSEd to piss you off. dosn't make sense. If you don't believe me, my gamercard is "pr0f" I own the crappy overrated Gears of War and Madden 07 (and geometry wars)[QUOTE="eatmyjunx"][QUOTE="nikefreak"][QUOTE="degobah77"]This is complete BS and a slap in the face to all those that supported MS by buying the console when it was released.Hotwad
theres no point in trying to talk sense into a fanboy, they back the console they have because its all they got..im not calling anyone poor or anythign of the sort...im just saying its human nature to do such things, but about a video game console is quite sad really...any true gamer would play anything worth their while... assuming they had whatever console it were on...i dont know many ppl that would turn down a free 360 or ps3...
You sit and throw one measily comment out about how absolutely horrible this is (when it in reality isnt, and is just a rumor anyways), and I say something back, now I am a (under your breath), poor, fanboy? I have the facts on my side, you dont. I have reasoning for what I have said, you dont. I didnt disagree with anything else you have said, however, seeing your attitude towards this compared to the many PS3 woes, and the fact you own both, one can assume that you are biased towards the PS3, considering its problems are far worse than the rumored simple change that adds an HDMI port that you likely cant even use.i said its crap if its true, because alot of hd adopters would not wanna pay another 400+ for a console that has true HD. and it is crap...whats not crap about that? i never said hey its true omg sony is teh roxors!1111..no i didnt..your logic about all this is flawed if anyone is making a big deal of nothign sir, it is you. fanboys are sad, they really are...why waist your time defending something so small. you like your console? GREAT. the 360 has great games. go go love it and play it. but what is the point in badmouthing all the other systems? i see none. does it give you any gain? no..does it give anyone else gain? no...so wheres the logic? i see none. if you read my logs ill be there first to admit sony has problems with the ps3 right now...but if i went and said the 360 sucks on a bunch of forums fix their probs..and make my ps3 better...no...im fortunate enough to own all three systems..they all have theri ups and downs...and they all have theri ups and downs...ill admit..so now again...how am i biased? and where is your logic...take it to systems wars
Ok, first off, who cares if its true? And the reason you do, is the next part I respond to. "Because alot of hd adopters would not wanna pay another 400+ for a console that is true HD" - And why would they need to do that again? The 360 is already "true HD" with or without an HDMI output for video. As I have said HDMI and VGA/Component are no different other than HDMI is protected so you cant copy content that is displayed over it, and it is digital from the box to the screen. Where as VGA/Component is analog, but easily adapted to digital HDMI if that is the only thing your display has (Which I not only doubt, I am willing to guarantee it doesnt). So the difference or impact of this, if it were a true change, is negligible if anything. VGA and Component also do full 1080p, so that isnt a valid reason either. "but what is the point in badmouthing all the other systems?" - I dont, I simply point out the truth. Truth is, Sony has taken a horrible path this generation, of which should be a concern to ANY Sony or gaming fan, as it is having not only a bad effect on the PS3, but on gaming in general, as competition breeds innovation and advancement. What do you stand to gain by ignoring it, or than trying to boost up a console, which isnt that in effect exactly what a fanboy is? And further, the Wii may not be for me, but I dont down it... Its fine for people who want something different (albeit recycled, as this is just an advanced version of the PowerGlove for the NES). And if I wanted either the PS3 or the Wii, I could easily get one. Right now, my wife and I both have our own 360, and we are happy with this for the time being. "how am I biased? and where is your logic...take it to systems wars" - I am not the one who has the issue with something trivial, I am also not the one who cant accept truth and try to say its ok for one company, but not for another.[QUOTE="nikefreak"][QUOTE="Hotwad"]Hmm... Shouldnt you be worried more about the fact there are like no games for your PS3? Or no scaling? How about no real future at all for it? The 360 is going good, and even the article on Engadget said it was from some nobody that has no credibility, and even they said they didnt know if it would INCLUDE a 120gb or not, or if it would just be available to purchase. So the only real difference from this anonymous nobody, is that it will have HDMI output which as I have said, unless you want a DIRECT DIGITAL STRAIGHT FROM THE CONSOLE HDMI connection, there is NO other reason to get this as you can adapt VGA or Component to HDMI, and both are fully capable and currently do native 1080p. Further, the CPU will make no difference to you, other than it being cheaper for MS to make, fit more per wafer during manufacturing, and run a bit cooler. There are no gameplay or compatibility differences introduced by this change.[QUOTE="nikefreak"][QUOTE="Hotwad"]Crud...i invested in this system the first time i found out that Sony had pushed the ps3 release date back...i had bought this console on a whim and did not regret it..its a great console with some great games..minus rpgs..my fav...still great, however by me supporting MS and then them pulling this junk (assuming its true im a sceptic) is crap..full on 10 ft. pile of crap... Hotwad
wow what you getting all defensive about fanboy...no one badmouthed the xbox...matter fact...i said its a great console...and who said anythign about ym ps3...gez u got some security issues buddy...and for the matter im not gonna start it up with you seeing as how what u are saying is jsut troll bait and belong in system wars...
Good idea, dont start a war you cant win, nor walk into a war blindly as you will definately loose. Further, I was simply responding with a sensible question/comment to your post and nothing I said was to defame or upset you. To reitterate what I said, you should be more worried about your PS3, and its onslaught of problems, rather than adding to the cesspool of uninformed people who want to make issues out of nothing.wow u are an aweful pile of words...if you had taken time to read the actual post before u started your spouting i said i was sceptical , but if it was true its crap...you really need to calm down buddy..hate to see your xbox go unplayed when you have that stroke ;). and what war....? your funny...
And what I said to you still stands, as I was making a question/comment about your post, you are the one about to have a fit over it, when I didnt say anything wrong other than the truth, which I guess you simply dont want to agree with.Oh get real... Get off your whine wagons and realize, Sony has done this for YEARS, Nintendo has done it for YEARS, There is nothing wrong with Microsoft improving the hardware as time goes on, and it becomes cheaper to make (Hence how they are able to NOW put larger drives and HDMI, if this is true, and they couldnt then. Its the COST, which they are making over 100.00 per console atm, so they can improve things and still make a profit. But yes, before you all go around screaming and toting guns, think about it logically... How many versions of the GB Advance were there? PS2? PS1? Gameboy? N64? (Colors mainly) Gamecube? (At least 2, as one has the ability to do EDTV, one doesnt (the newer ones removed the port to save money)... So if you get my point, nothing new, and you guys are obviously either Sony fanboys trying to puff up something trivial to whine about, or just people complaining because they dont always get whatever everyone else gets. If you want the new console THAT badly, then its YOUR responsibility to sell yours and go get another. No one elses. the point is you need to **** *** **** **. I just bought an xbox 360 and now im ******* PISSED! Sony re-made a PS2 into a slim-line with the addons towards the END of the cycle of the ps2, the x360 still has 4-5 years left in the cycle. There is a WORLD of diffence between the two, make no mistake about it. See this is the problem with so many Xbox Fanboys defending Microsoft, not only does Microsoft own a monopoly on almost everything PCs, they also monopolize peoples brains, especially x-box fanboys. How do they Do it? I mean it's not like you guys are getting paid to do it. you guys are Consumers. News like this is SUPPOSEd to piss you off. dosn't make sense. If you don't believe me, my gamercard is "pr0f" I own the crappy overrated Gears of War and Madden 07 (and geometry wars)[QUOTE="eatmyjunx"][QUOTE="nikefreak"][QUOTE="degobah77"]This is complete BS and a slap in the face to all those that supported MS by buying the console when it was released.Hotwad
theres no point in trying to talk sense into a fanboy, they back the console they have because its all they got..im not calling anyone poor or anythign of the sort...im just saying its human nature to do such things, but about a video game console is quite sad really...any true gamer would play anything worth their while... assuming they had whatever console it were on...i dont know many ppl that would turn down a free 360 or ps3...
You sit and throw one measily comment out about how absolutely horrible this is (when it in reality isnt, and is just a rumor anyways), and I say something back, now I am a (under your breath), poor, fanboy? I have the facts on my side, you dont. I have reasoning for what I have said, you dont. I didnt disagree with anything else you have said, however, seeing your attitude towards this compared to the many PS3 woes, and the fact you own both, one can assume that you are biased towards the PS3, considering its problems are far worse than the rumored simple change that adds an HDMI port that you likely cant even use.[QUOTE="nikefreak"][QUOTE="degobah77"]This is complete BS and a slap in the face to all those that supported MS by buying the console when it was released.eatmyjunxOh get real... Get off your whine wagons and realize, Sony has done this for YEARS, Nintendo has done it for YEARS, There is nothing wrong with Microsoft improving the hardware as time goes on, and it becomes cheaper to make (Hence how they are able to NOW put larger drives and HDMI, if this is true, and they couldnt then. Its the COST, which they are making over 100.00 per console atm, so they can improve things and still make a profit. But yes, before you all go around screaming and toting guns, think about it logically... How many versions of the GB Advance were there? PS2? PS1? Gameboy? N64? (Colors mainly) Gamecube? (At least 2, as one has the ability to do EDTV, one doesnt (the newer ones removed the port to save money)... So if you get my point, nothing new, and you guys are obviously either Sony fanboys trying to puff up something trivial to whine about, or just people complaining because they dont always get whatever everyone else gets. If you want the new console THAT badly, then its YOUR responsibility to sell yours and go get another. No one elses. the point is you need to **** *** **** **. I just bought an xbox 360 and now im ******* PISSED! Sony re-made a PS2 into a slim-line with the addons towards the END of the cycle of the ps2, the x360 still has 4-5 years left in the cycle. There is a WORLD of diffence between the two, make no mistake about it. See this is the problem with so many Xbox Fanboys defending Microsoft, not only does Microsoft own a monopoly on almost everything PCs, they also monopolize peoples brains, especially x-box fanboys. How do they Do it? I mean it's not like you guys are getting paid to do it. you guys are Consumers. News like this is SUPPOSEd to piss you off. dosn't make sense. If you don't believe me, my gamercard is "pr0f" I own the crappy overrated Gears of War and Madden 07 (and geometry wars) You dont even have anything to be mad about. This hasnt even been proven right or true, and has been circulated many times in many forms (this same rumor). Further, do you even have a use for an HDMI port? If so, it is that important to you for you to be "outraged" about? Why not just sell the 360 and buy another if its that big of an issue for you? And yes, you sound like a fanboy as well, straight out of the Sony PR meetings... And you have nothing to back yourself up, except what you said in your post... Sony is fine for doing the same thing with the PS2, as what Microsoft is doing with the 360 (as per this RUMOR). I dont care about how long after the console was released, why is 6 months any different than 1 year? 1 year from 2? Does an amount of time passing by make it ok for things, and not for others? The mentality for this argument makes no sense, and is contrary to popular practice among all CE devices as I have said.
Hmm... Shouldnt you be worried more about the fact there are like no games for your PS3? Or no scaling? How about no real future at all for it? The 360 is going good, and even the article on Engadget said it was from some nobody that has no credibility, and even they said they didnt know if it would INCLUDE a 120gb or not, or if it would just be available to purchase. So the only real difference from this anonymous nobody, is that it will have HDMI output which as I have said, unless you want a DIRECT DIGITAL STRAIGHT FROM THE CONSOLE HDMI connection, there is NO other reason to get this as you can adapt VGA or Component to HDMI, and both are fully capable and currently do native 1080p. Further, the CPU will make no difference to you, other than it being cheaper for MS to make, fit more per wafer during manufacturing, and run a bit cooler. There are no gameplay or compatibility differences introduced by this change.[QUOTE="nikefreak"][QUOTE="Hotwad"]Crud...i invested in this system the first time i found out that Sony had pushed the ps3 release date back...i had bought this console on a whim and did not regret it..its a great console with some great games..minus rpgs..my fav...still great, however by me supporting MS and then them pulling this junk (assuming its true im a sceptic) is crap..full on 10 ft. pile of crap... Hotwad
wow what you getting all defensive about fanboy...no one badmouthed the xbox...matter fact...i said its a great console...and who said anythign about ym ps3...gez u got some security issues buddy...and for the matter im not gonna start it up with you seeing as how what u are saying is jsut troll bait and belong in system wars...
Good idea, dont start a war you cant win, nor walk into a war blindly as you will definately loose. Further, I was simply responding with a sensible question/comment to your post and nothing I said was to defame or upset you. To reitterate what I said, you should be more worried about your PS3, and its onslaught of problems, rather than adding to the cesspool of uninformed people who want to make issues out of nothing.It looks like this is the point of your argument- There is no technical limitation on DVDs to provide HD content, simply the storage size. This is the only thing that needs to be proven true or false. Please try and find some info that backs up your argument. I will look too and post what I find. Agreed?gatsbythepigYou arent listening. I have already provided the proof, information and a way for you to even do it yourself. You dont seem to want to believe the truth, is the only problem atm. As for information to prove me right, isnt a 720p or 1080p movie on a standard DVD being burnt by none other than yourself enough proof? If it isnt, I suggest you do some reading, as I have said over and over, and realize the DVD itself is simply a medium to store data on. The DVD player that you use it in, is what dictates what it can and cant play. Just because a game DVD cant play in a standard DVD player, doesnt mean it isnt a "true" game dvd. It just means you dont have the right player, or the player you have doesnt support the files included on, the dvd you are trying to play on it.
And again, I will include the post that has a website with 720p and 1080p content, that you can download and burn to a standard DVD/CD yourself, so that you yourself may see that I am indeed right.
EDIT 2 - Actually, I thought of the perfect way to allow YOU to prove YOURSELF wrong. Goto http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/musicandvideo/hdvideo/contentshowcase.aspx and download any 720p/1080p video. Now, take that video and burn it to a standard DVD (or even CD for those small enough). Now, stick that disc into your PC and play the HD video. It works just fine doesnt it? The problem with current tech, is not the resolution or codec, as that is software and can be changed. It is the hardware that plays it back. That disc you just made should even work on the 360, provided those files dont use any special DRM on the PC (I honestly dont know, I am pretty sure they dont, but I may be wrong, I downloaded a few a month or so ago for this exact test with someone else to prove them wrong, but didnt think to try it on the 360, just the PC at the time). And there you go, HD on a standard DVD. It is possible, and you are thoroughly wrong. But really it isnt your fault, you are simply believing the lies and deceptions that I talk about all the time, that Sony tries to push on their customers to make them "dumbed down" and able to believe the nonsense they spout, and not buy a competitors product based soley on inaccurate information.
[QUOTE="nikefreak"][QUOTE="gatsbythepig"][QUOTE="nikefreak"][QUOTE="gatsbythepig"][QUOTE="nikefreak"][QUOTE="gatsbythepig"]it upconverts to 1080p, so it's not true 1080pgatsbythepigIt supports native 1080p over component and vga, and you can get an HDMI adaptor if you must have hdmi as well. So, your wrong :) how does it get 1080p from a dvd that only gets 720p, by upconverting nice try though rofl... Well, it upconverts DVD to that. It doesnt need to convert HD-DVD as it is 1080p native as well. This is no different than the PS3, as it cant magically make a DVD that is 480p into 1080p, nor can it make a native 720p game run at 1080p native. Nice try at talking about something you obviously dont understand. roll around on the floor really hard and laugh even harder The PS3 uses Blu-ray technology which produces 1080p. There is no upconversion. I own an xbox 360 and I love it but it uses DVD for games. DVD do not have the capability to deliver 1080p. It's that simple, please don't get mad. You are believing hype, and I knew you were a PS3 owner before you said a thing about it, its obvious with the way you act, and the "facts" you are presenting. And as far as BluRay, dont even bother trying to talk to me about that tech, as it uses older codecs called MPEGII that DVD has used for a long, long time. Now, to explain what you obviously dont understand, and this will be the only time I do so. DVDs are an optical storage format. They hold 4.7 gb on a single layer disc and double that for dual layer. DVDs themselves are not limited to any specific resolution, they are simply a storage medium. The content stored on the disc, CAN be made into any resolution, codec, file, etc. Just as you burn DVDs with any file you want right now. However, that DVD with HD WM9 content, cant be played back in a standard DVD player of course, because it only accepts MPEGII decoding at SD resolutions. However, if you pop that same DVD with content in a PC, it will in fact play at 720p or 1080i/p , whatever it was encoded at. The common misconception, is that the DVD format cant do HD, only SD, when in fact it CAN, it was the storage size that made companies go for a larger disc because HD 720p content as I said, a full movie fits on DVD fine, but it is just under the size limit of a single layer disc. With a dual layer disc though, at 9.4 gb, I could get 2 720p movies on a single DVD. So yes, HD on DVD is not only possible, but if you want proof, goto your local BestBuy, WalMart, etc and look for Terminator 2 on DVD (The one with the foil cover). It has a second disc included with it, that has T2 in 720P HD WM9 format, in addition to the SD DVD that works in any player. This has been on the market for over 2 years if I remember right (Maybe more), and most people just dont realize it... Further, I burn my own DVDs with HD content on them, so I know for a fact its possible, and guess what? That 720p WM9 encoded Fifth Element movie that I burned to a DVD works just fine in both my PC, and my 360, both in 720p HD. Yes, 1080i/p is possible as well, but they both take up even more space, so I would have to burn them onto dual layer discs, which for the difference in 720p vs 1080i/p, it isnt worth it to me, but that doesnt make it impossible. It is entirely dependant on the orig source material that is available. I only have 720p source for Fifth Element , so I can only use 720p without upscaling. Now, as far as you talking about the 360, the HARDWARE is fully capable of 1080p native output with no scaling. However, if the game or movie is only 720p, then of course it has to scale it. If the HD-DVD or game is in 1080p, it is natively displayed, as the gpu in the 360 is fully capable of higher resolutions and required only a software patch to enable it. If this doesnt suit you, I suggest you go read more on the tech specs of the 360, and of how HD/SD works in general, as you obviously think you have the upper hand in this discussion, when to anyone who knows what they are talking about, you are so obviously full of it :) Wow, you really took some time to word your response. I respect your stance(btw I don't own Sony, I own MS) but it does not change the fact that sony is Blu-ray and MS is DVD. The technology the 360 uses upconverts the DVD which upconverts to 1080p. The DVD is not capable of producin1080p. As for the Blu-ray using MPEG format, I was in a long discussion in another forum about this. Blu-ray uses any codec it wants just like DVDS. There have been statements to the effect of BD using MPEG-2 but I have witnessed it using AV1 also. I was teasing you before but in all seriousness I still don't understand what part of this you don't understand... and I am not really rolling on the floor. Just to make it even easier, here is my post describing how to prove yourself wrong, instead of expecting me to do so, as I already HAVE, as I said, I have Fifth Element in 720p on a standard DVD. And unless you want to call me a liar, and risk any credibility you have whatsoever, I would suggest you try the thing I show you, and read a bit more. You will then realize that HD on standard DVD is fully possible, but that isnt in the best interests of any media/player/movie company, as they want you to buy those movies on a new disc, with a new player, even if you already own the movie. www.bluraysucks.com is another good site for some information as to what I am talking about. EDIT 2 - Actually, I thought of the perfect way to allow YOU to prove YOURSELF wrong. Goto http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/musicandvideo/hdvideo/contentshowcase.aspx and download any 720p/1080p video. Now, take that video and burn it to a standard DVD (or even CD for those small enough). Now, stick that disc into your PC and play the HD video. It works just fine doesnt it? The problem with current tech, is not the resolution or codec, as that is software and can be changed. It is the hardware that plays it back. That disc you just made should even work on the 360, provided those files dont use any special DRM on the PC (I honestly dont know, I am pretty sure they dont, but I may be wrong, I downloaded a few a month or so ago for this exact test with someone else to prove them wrong, but didnt think to try it on the 360, just the PC at the time). And there you go, HD on a standard DVD. It is possible, and you are thoroughly wrong. But really it isnt your fault, you are simply believing the lies and deceptions that I talk about all the time, that Sony tries to push on their customers to make them "dumbed down" and able to believe the nonsense they spout, and not buy a competitors product based soley on inaccurate information.
[QUOTE="nikefreak"][QUOTE="gatsbythepig"][QUOTE="nikefreak"][QUOTE="gatsbythepig"][QUOTE="nikefreak"][QUOTE="gatsbythepig"]it upconverts to 1080p, so it's not true 1080pgatsbythepigIt supports native 1080p over component and vga, and you can get an HDMI adaptor if you must have hdmi as well. So, your wrong :) how does it get 1080p from a dvd that only gets 720p, by upconverting nice try though rofl... Well, it upconverts DVD to that. It doesnt need to convert HD-DVD as it is 1080p native as well. This is no different than the PS3, as it cant magically make a DVD that is 480p into 1080p, nor can it make a native 720p game run at 1080p native. Nice try at talking about something you obviously dont understand. roll around on the floor really hard and laugh even harder The PS3 uses Blu-ray technology which produces 1080p. There is no upconversion. I own an xbox 360 and I love it but it uses DVD for games. DVD do not have the capability to deliver 1080p. It's that simple, please don't get mad. You are believing hype, and I knew you were a PS3 owner before you said a thing about it, its obvious with the way you act, and the "facts" you are presenting. And as far as BluRay, dont even bother trying to talk to me about that tech, as it uses older codecs called MPEGII that DVD has used for a long, long time. Now, to explain what you obviously dont understand, and this will be the only time I do so. DVDs are an optical storage format. They hold 4.7 gb on a single layer disc and double that for dual layer. DVDs themselves are not limited to any specific resolution, they are simply a storage medium. The content stored on the disc, CAN be made into any resolution, codec, file, etc. Just as you burn DVDs with any file you want right now. However, that DVD with HD WM9 content, cant be played back in a standard DVD player of course, because it only accepts MPEGII decoding at SD resolutions. However, if you pop that same DVD with content in a PC, it will in fact play at 720p or 1080i/p , whatever it was encoded at. The common misconception, is that the DVD format cant do HD, only SD, when in fact it CAN, it was the storage size that made companies go for a larger disc because HD 720p content as I said, a full movie fits on DVD fine, but it is just under the size limit of a single layer disc. With a dual layer disc though, at 9.4 gb, I could get 2 720p movies on a single DVD. So yes, HD on DVD is not only possible, but if you want proof, goto your local BestBuy, WalMart, etc and look for Terminator 2 on DVD (The one with the foil cover). It has a second disc included with it, that has T2 in 720P HD WM9 format, in addition to the SD DVD that works in any player. This has been on the market for over 2 years if I remember right (Maybe more), and most people just dont realize it... Further, I burn my own DVDs with HD content on them, so I know for a fact its possible, and guess what? That 720p WM9 encoded Fifth Element movie that I burned to a DVD works just fine in both my PC, and my 360, both in 720p HD. Yes, 1080i/p is possible as well, but they both take up even more space, so I would have to burn them onto dual layer discs, which for the difference in 720p vs 1080i/p, it isnt worth it to me, but that doesnt make it impossible. It is entirely dependant on the orig source material that is available. I only have 720p source for Fifth Element , so I can only use 720p without upscaling. Now, as far as you talking about the 360, the HARDWARE is fully capable of 1080p native output with no scaling. However, if the game or movie is only 720p, then of course it has to scale it. If the HD-DVD or game is in 1080p, it is natively displayed, as the gpu in the 360 is fully capable of higher resolutions and required only a software patch to enable it. If this doesnt suit you, I suggest you go read more on the tech specs of the 360, and of how HD/SD works in general, as you obviously think you have the upper hand in this discussion, when to anyone who knows what they are talking about, you are so obviously full of it :) Wow, you really took some time to word your response. I respect your stance(btw I don't own Sony, I own MS) but it does not change the fact that sony is Blu-ray and MS is DVD. The technology the 360 uses upconverts the DVD which upconverts to 1080p. The DVD is not capable of producin1080p. As for the Blu-ray using MPEG format, I was in a long discussion in another forum about this. Blu-ray uses any codec it wants just like DVDS. There have been statements to the effect of BD using MPEG-2 but I have witnessed it using AV1 also. I was teasing you before but in all seriousness I still don't understand what part of this you don't understand... and I am not really rolling on the floor. In my last post, on an edit, I gave you a simple way to prove yourself wrong. And if you were in a discussion, you obviously had no place being there, as you dont understand that a DVD cant tell you "NO! You may NOT put that HD file on me!"... There is no technical limitation on DVDs to provide HD content, simply the storage size. And even that, is easily taken care of, using WM9 and other future codecs that use less space for the same quality and resolution video.
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