Well I guess no price drop now. Good thing I don't have 1080p but only 1080i so I wont need it anyway. But still the 120gb harddrive would had been nice.chansaet120gb drive wont be included more than likely, as even the article said. And 1080p is fully available natively through VGA and component cables, the only benefit to HDMI is it is protected (which is only beneficial to the companies making movies) and is digital. You can even convert component and vga to hdmi, so its really not an issue to begin with. Just for ease of use, and digital purists.
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[QUOTE="nikefreak"][QUOTE="gatsbythepig"][QUOTE="nikefreak"][QUOTE="gatsbythepig"]it upconverts to 1080p, so it's not true 1080pgatsbythepigIt supports native 1080p over component and vga, and you can get an HDMI adaptor if you must have hdmi as well. So, your wrong :) how does it get 1080p from a dvd that only gets 720p, by upconverting nice try though rofl... Well, it upconverts DVD to that. It doesnt need to convert HD-DVD as it is 1080p native as well. This is no different than the PS3, as it cant magically make a DVD that is 480p into 1080p, nor can it make a native 720p game run at 1080p native. Nice try at talking about something you obviously dont understand. roll around on the floor really hard and laugh even harder The PS3 uses Blu-ray technology which produces 1080p. There is no upconversion. I own an xbox 360 and I love it but it uses DVD for games. DVD do not have the capability to deliver 1080p. It's that simple, please don't get mad. EDIT-HDDVD is capable of 720p and 1080i not 1080p unless there is upconversion, so even the movies the 360 have aren't true 1080p either. Look it up if you don't believe me. sigh... I have ALREADY looked it up LONG ago. This is what I talk about, people who run their mouth before having the information to back up what they say. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_DVD http://www.thelookandsoundofperfect.com/ then goto Tech Specs (This is the official HD-DVD website) Please read more before you state more of your "facts".
EDIT - And btw, Nothing is more amusing than you trying to tell me that HD content cant be burned onto a standard DVD. rofl... You realize, all those movies are simple files burned onto a disc? The disc itself doesnt dictate the resolution or format or even file that can be burnt onto said disc, its the devices that play that disc back that are your limitation.
EDIT 2 - Actually, I thought of the perfect way to allow YOU to prove YOURSELF wrong. Goto http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/musicandvideo/hdvideo/contentshowcase.aspx and download any 720p/1080p video. Now, take that video and burn it to a standard DVD (or even CD for those small enough). Now, stick that disc into your PC and play the HD video. It works just fine doesnt it? The problem with current tech, is not the resolution or codec, as that is software and can be changed. It is the hardware that plays it back. That disc you just made should even work on the 360, provided those files dont use any special DRM on the PC (I honestly dont know, I am pretty sure they dont, but I may be wrong, I downloaded a few a month or so ago for this exact test with someone else to prove them wrong, but didnt think to try it on the 360, just the PC at the time). And there you go, HD on a standard DVD. It is possible, and you are thoroughly wrong. But really it isnt your fault, you are simply believing the lies and deceptions that I talk about all the time, that Sony tries to push on their customers to make them "dumbed down" and able to believe the nonsense they spout, and not buy a competitors product based soley on inaccurate information.
[QUOTE="nikefreak"][QUOTE="gatsbythepig"][QUOTE="nikefreak"][QUOTE="gatsbythepig"]it upconverts to 1080p, so it's not true 1080pgatsbythepigIt supports native 1080p over component and vga, and you can get an HDMI adaptor if you must have hdmi as well. So, your wrong :) how does it get 1080p from a dvd that only gets 720p, by upconverting nice try though rofl... Well, it upconverts DVD to that. It doesnt need to convert HD-DVD as it is 1080p native as well. This is no different than the PS3, as it cant magically make a DVD that is 480p into 1080p, nor can it make a native 720p game run at 1080p native. Nice try at talking about something you obviously dont understand. roll around on the floor really hard and laugh even harder The PS3 uses Blu-ray technology which produces 1080p. There is no upconversion. I own an xbox 360 and I love it but it uses DVD for games. DVD do not have the capability to deliver 1080p. It's that simple, please don't get mad. You are believing hype, and I knew you were a PS3 owner before you said a thing about it, its obvious with the way you act, and the "facts" you are presenting. And as far as BluRay, dont even bother trying to talk to me about that tech, as it uses older codecs called MPEGII that DVD has used for a long, long time. Now, to explain what you obviously dont understand, and this will be the only time I do so. DVDs are an optical storage format. They hold 4.7 gb on a single layer disc and double that for dual layer. DVDs themselves are not limited to any specific resolution, they are simply a storage medium. The content stored on the disc, CAN be made into any resolution, codec, file, etc. Just as you burn DVDs with any file you want right now. However, that DVD with HD WM9 content, cant be played back in a standard DVD player of course, because it only accepts MPEGII decoding at SD resolutions. However, if you pop that same DVD with content in a PC, it will in fact play at 720p or 1080i/p , whatever it was encoded at. The common misconception, is that the DVD format cant do HD, only SD, when in fact it CAN, it was the storage size that made companies go for a larger disc because HD 720p content as I said, a full movie fits on DVD fine, but it is just under the size limit of a single layer disc. With a dual layer disc though, at 9.4 gb, I could get 2 720p movies on a single DVD. So yes, HD on DVD is not only possible, but if you want proof, goto your local BestBuy, WalMart, etc and look for Terminator 2 on DVD (The one with the foil cover). It has a second disc included with it, that has T2 in 720P HD WM9 format, in addition to the SD DVD that works in any player. This has been on the market for over 2 years if I remember right (Maybe more), and most people just dont realize it... Further, I burn my own DVDs with HD content on them, so I know for a fact its possible, and guess what? That 720p WM9 encoded Fifth Element movie that I burned to a DVD works just fine in both my PC, and my 360, both in 720p HD. Yes, 1080i/p is possible as well, but they both take up even more space, so I would have to burn them onto dual layer discs, which for the difference in 720p vs 1080i/p, it isnt worth it to me, but that doesnt make it impossible. It is entirely dependant on the orig source material that is available. I only have 720p source for Fifth Element , so I can only use 720p without upscaling. Now, as far as you talking about the 360, the HARDWARE is fully capable of 1080p native output with no scaling. However, if the game or movie is only 720p, then of course it has to scale it. If the HD-DVD or game is in 1080p, it is natively displayed, as the gpu in the 360 is fully capable of higher resolutions and required only a software patch to enable it. If this doesnt suit you, I suggest you go read more on the tech specs of the 360, and of how HD/SD works in general, as you obviously think you have the upper hand in this discussion, when to anyone who knows what they are talking about, you are so obviously full of it :)
[QUOTE="nikefreak"][QUOTE="gatsbythepig"]it upconverts to 1080p, so it's not true 1080pgatsbythepigIt supports native 1080p over component and vga, and you can get an HDMI adaptor if you must have hdmi as well. So, your wrong :) how does it get 1080p from a dvd that only gets 720p, by upconverting nice try though rofl... Well, it upconverts DVD to that. It doesnt need to convert HD-DVD as it is 1080p native as well. This is no different than the PS3, as it cant magically make a DVD that is 480p into 1080p, nor can it make a native 720p game run at 1080p native. Nice try at talking about something you obviously dont understand.
EDIT - And before anyone tries the whole "DVD cant do HD" argument, that is false. How do I know? I have Fifth Element in 720p on a regular DVD atm. It takes up I think 4.2GB, using WM9 encoding. STANDARD DVDs manufactured with content in SD, of course cant be made into HD, however, HD content IS possible on standard DVDs... Even though that has nothing to do with this topic. :)
Crud...i invested in this system the first time i found out that Sony had pushed the ps3 release date back...i had bought this console on a whim and did not regret it..its a great console with some great games..minus rpgs..my fav...still great, however by me supporting MS and then them pulling this junk (assuming its true im a sceptic) is crap..full on 10 ft. pile of crap... HotwadHmm... Shouldnt you be worried more about the fact there are like no games for your PS3? Or no scaling? How about no real future at all for it? The 360 is going good, and even the article on Engadget said it was from some nobody that has no credibility, and even they said they didnt know if it would INCLUDE a 120gb or not, or if it would just be available to purchase. So the only real difference from this anonymous nobody, is that it will have HDMI output which as I have said, unless you want a DIRECT DIGITAL STRAIGHT FROM THE CONSOLE HDMI connection, there is NO other reason to get this as you can adapt VGA or Component to HDMI, and both are fully capable and currently do native 1080p. Further, the CPU will make no difference to you, other than it being cheaper for MS to make, fit more per wafer during manufacturing, and run a bit cooler. There are no gameplay or compatibility differences introduced by this change.
it upconverts to 1080p, so it's not true 1080pgatsbythepigIt supports native 1080p over component and vga, and you can get an HDMI adaptor if you must have hdmi as well. So, your wrong :)
Are we trying to add words to a Dictionary.LOL!DarthKalolol :D
Oh get real... Get off your whine wagons and realize, Sony has done this for YEARS, Nintendo has done it for YEARS, There is nothing wrong with Microsoft improving the hardware as time goes on, and it becomes cheaper to make (Hence how they are able to NOW put larger drives and HDMI, if this is true, and they couldnt then. Its the COST, which they are making over 100.00 per console atm, so they can improve things and still make a profit. But yes, before you all go around screaming and toting guns, think about it logically... How many versions of the GB Advance were there? PS2? PS1? Gameboy? N64? (Colors mainly) Gamecube? (At least 2, as one has the ability to do EDTV, one doesnt (the newer ones removed the port to save money)... So if you get my point, nothing new, and you guys are obviously either Sony fanboys trying to puff up something trivial to whine about, or just people complaining because they dont always get whatever everyone else gets. If you want the new console THAT badly, then its YOUR responsibility to sell yours and go get another. No one elses. The arguent about the PS1 and 2 are moot, Sony released the slim PS2 and the little PS 4 years+ into the consoles life cycle, and neither offered any benifit to the consumer other than size. The same can be said for Nintendo, with the exception of the DS Lite, which in essence only add a slighty brighter screen. Even then the change is negligible. The gamecube arguement is a little silly as well, Nintendo actually took out a feature, hardly the same. What M$ is doing is jacking all the people who want a True-HD experience. They just reaped in big bucks over the Holiday season, and then 10 days after Christmas, we hear they are releasing a new version. I honestly should not have expected anything different from people, they are all about screwing peo..., er I mean, making money. This is a clear sign though that Sony has put the fear of god into them. Why else would they need to re-release the 360 with True HD unless they were feeling the fear.... A. You just proved you are nothing more than a Sony fanboy. Which to be honest, is the lowest of the low. They typically dont listen to reason and spout innaccurate and just completely false "facts". B. PS2 had far more revisions than just PS2 and Slim PS2 lol... You obviously are oblivious to that fact as well. And they happened far sooner than you claim as well. C. Yes, the Gamecube part is silly, but not on my part. Nintendo actually TOOK OUT a part of the Gamecube that was BETTER than the current ports on it. The current port is standard 480i, while the old port allowed EDTV at 480p. That is a BETTER display, and they actually took it out simply to make it cost less to make (Check the news bits on it). D. Microsoft isnt jacking anyone, you are simply crying about the evolution of a console during its lifespan. This is to be expected, and is done by absolutely every device manufacturer (Including the much loved Ipod). And the "True-HD" experience you speak of, is already here. I have already watched movies, played games, etc. in 1080p, and further the 360 has a chip currently in it that is responsible for all the scaling that needs done (I guess codename Ana or something like that), that the PS3 didnt even include anythign similar to do its scaling. For example, if you play Resistance on the PS3 (Which is 720p native btw, for all you fans out there ;p) and your TV doesnt support 720p, only 1080i/p, then it scales back down to 480p.... That is hardly better than Microsofts current solution, and would instill nothing but laughs from Microsofts side. E. As all the reasons above stated, and include current sales, games available, exclusives, accessories, services offered, and just simple quality, Microsoft has no worries and the market is showing this more and more every day. F. As I stated previously, you are coming off as nothing other than a whiney PS3 fanboy trying to start trouble like most Sony fanboys do.[QUOTE="nikefreak"][QUOTE="cofn42"][QUOTE="nikefreak"][QUOTE="degobah77"]This is complete BS and a slap in the face to all those that supported MS by buying the console when it was released.cofn42
I find it funny how any time someone says anything even a little positive for Sony, or Negative for MS they are a fanboy... This is the new insult it seem, one with little merit, like saying "Im not stupid... YOUR stupid"
Sure there have been many "Revisions" to the PS2, but none have affected the system like this. Name me 1 thing in all the motherboard revisions that would have warrented a new purchase? NONE. Not a single thing. All the reworkings of the PS3 MB and internal designs was for nothing other than to thwart piracy. I had a day 1 PS3 and never had to upgrade it once, there was never another PS3 revision to come along that offered anything.
You may want to get YOUR facts straight before spouting off about things you are unclear on.
You are correct, MS has beat Sony hands down on the scaling issue, but time will tell if Sony can fix this, the console is a month old, who knows if they will find a way to software emulate, if not, then MS has a huge advantage.
And for the record I am no where near a fanboy. I own all the systems, and defend each one. I am a GAMER, and as I gamer I do not want to be screwed by any console manufaturer. MS has been around longer in the Next-gen war, and that may be why people, not unlike myself, feel we are getting repeatedly screwed by MS. Something I feel Nintendo and Sony has not done yet. But then again, they just ebntered the Next-gen race. Beleive me, when I start having to pay microtransactions on the PS3, I will be just as vociferous.
A. No, when someone spouts ignorant things that they know nothing about simply to spawn a console war, or a measuring contest, they are the sole ones responsible for looking like a fanboy. I dont use it as an insult, more of a wakeup call as to the mentality you are displaying. B. There have been many more changes to the PS2 than simply cosmetic or such changes. And no, I will not sit and go over each of them with you, if you are that interested, I suggest http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_2 . Check out how many revisions there have been, and what things have been changed. And whether or not those changes are the same TO YOU, I am sure the features changed on the PS2 have been problematic for others. (A good example is anyone who owned a PS2 HDD, which we all know how well Sony took care of those customers, eventually releasing a console that couldnt even use it at all). And further, it wasnt just to thwart piracy, there have been other hardware changes as well, including the CPU. C. I have mine straight, and provided a link for you to adjust your innacurate statements with. :) However, I suggest from this point on you read first, run mouth second. D. And if Sony DOES fix this? That leaves the same problem you are currently throwing a fit about. As they will NOT allow all PS3 owners who already bought a non-scaling unit, to exchange it for a scaling unit. So are you going to go with your pitchfork to their door too? You might as well start now, as neither company gives a rats behind what you think. E. I own all the systems too, does that make me a fanboy simply because I see the truth through the nonsense you are trying to pitch? No. It simply means you are trying to make a small issue into something huge. And further, if you arent a fanboy then stop acting like one. Dont sit and try to throw fits about stupid and small trivial issues like this, and instead interest yourself in something more important, a good example is trying to get Sony to start listening to their customers again, stop ripping them off, start focusing on games instead of media and hardware, and stop lieing and just straight forwardly deceiving their customers time and again, for the simple sake of sales. There are far more important issues in gaming, than whether or not Microsoft is going to follow the trend set by EVERY SINGLE OTHER consumer electronics manufacturer to date, period. And you already have microtransactions on the PS3, and more coming. So again, worry about something that actually matters, instead of petty, inconsequential things.[QUOTE="Maleku"]Wonderful news indeed... now if we want HDMI it will come with a mere cost of another $400. Sorry for the sarcasm, I just can't stand companies that try and double dip their customers. HDMI should have been included in the first place. On the topic of double dipping... I think George Lucas is the worst.TrustCo1971
How many people in this world accually have a tv that does 1080p? Most people still dont have a tv that does 720p. I will not upgrade as I have already had to buy 2 360s cause my launch one crashed.
Im not even sure if im gonna keep playing consoles,with all the games costing more, console prices going up, and having to pay for every little thing....
Its getting old. I have been a console gamer since 1980 and have pretty much every console made, but ..I think the time has come to close this chapter of my life after this gen.
Again, take inflation into account and you arent being charged much more this generation, while technology and games are CONSIDERABLY further along and take MUCH more money to make than they did, as well as being far larger and more detailed (And all of that texturing, programming, graphic design and planning, does cost money to do), and I dont really see the same point as you. I have been gaming since early 80's too, and I dont seem to share the same view as you. I personally feel we are getting a fantastic product for the price we are paying, the games have been the same price for years and a price increase is again, just on par with inflation of the costs to make it... But I do get your point, and it does have more validity than some of the other complaints... But really the console gaming experience is still much cheaper and easier to use/get/play/etc than the PC gaming experience, and that will likely never change, and considering that is your only other real alternative, it seems you will either stop gaming alltogether or just deal with inflation like the rest of us :)
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