[QUOTE="nosmokingbandit"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"] no, they arent yours, no matter how bad you wish it, and yeah your dvds and blu rays arent yours either. and have you seen those games with a "NOT FOR RESALE" label on top of them? thats because its actually illegal to trade them/sell them used lightleggy

Its not illegal to sell them, regardless of the label put on them (at least in the US, i dont know where you live). Its just a scare tactic from developers/publishers, the First Sale Doctrine clearly states this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine

Supposed to be != Is. Publishers dont get to make laws.

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[QUOTE="lightleggy"] they arent actually yours, you just gain the right to use it, but the game always belong to the company. and they make money when they sell a copy, if a person who has never played buys a copy from you, they are not making any money and now 2 people will have played the game, not just 1lightleggy

nah it's mine, and i have a right to trade that game online for another game of my choice. lol are my dvds and blurays not mine either?

Its not illegal to sell them, regardless of the label put on them (at least in the US, i dont know where you live). Its just a scare tactic from developers/publishers, the First Sale Doctrine clearly states this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine

[QUOTE="nosmokingbandit"]

So to those who are avidly against used games sales:

Do you despise the very fact that libraries exist? They let people borrow book, for FREE (!!), and the author and publisher don't see a penny. You should be more upset about that than used games sales! Authors get ripped off thousands of times every day, in a government institution!

WhiteKnight77

That book was paid for, by the library system.

Often not, actually. I volunteered at a library for a few years and a large amount of the books were donated. I donated quite a few books myself to clean out the bookshelf.

Even so, if the library bought one copy of Ender's Game (a personal favorite of mine), they are letting hundreds of people "steal" the experience of this book from Orson Scott Card (the author) according to some of the facetious arguments earlier in the thread. The outcome is the same for both the author and the game dev in this case: they each get paid once and the product is enjoyed several times by many different people.

So again I ask, do the opposers of used game sales protest libraries and their flagrant theft from authors?

Lately gamers have been up in arms about games being considered art (which I agree with, they should), but certain pitfalls accompany games being considered art. They must be subject to the same market paradigm as any other art form. Games can't expect to be equal with other forms of art yet retain some kind of special set of rules.

So to those who are avidly against used games sales:

Do you despise the very fact that libraries exist? They let people borrow book, for FREE (!!), and the author and publisher don't see a penny. You should be more upset about that than used games sales! Authors get ripped off thousands of times every day, in a government institution!

Does anyone know if its possible to clear out a series and re-win the prize car. I wasnt paying attention and sold some of them :0

In gt4 it was easy to start a series over again but i cant figure it out in gt5.

You know what's funny people complain about jagged shadows and in that video they are perfect.johny300

Do you have GT5? The shadows are ugly by any standard. It depends on the car though. The Mini in the one license test didnt have awful shadows, but my Focus ST always looks awful. That may have been from the patch saturday though. I dont think i drove my focus at all yesterday, i just worked on licesnse tests.

GT5 is about more than just graphics, bro. No other game comes close to eh accurate handling of GT5. I'd rahter have a game that looks like a psx game and handles well than a game that looks awesome and drives like Forza 3.

am i the only one who thinks nascar is terrible and the cars handle like they are tanks?

razgriz_101

50 minutes for a 6GB install is insulting. I mean, I know the Blu-ray drive isn't the fastest thing out there, but that's dangerously close to 2MB/s, slower than my internet speed. I'd be very curious to know how improved the load times are with the install, though. I'd be even more curious to know what exactly is installed, though I don't know if we'll ever know that.DJ_Lae

The install is more than just copying. It copies, unpacks, and defrags the files as it goes along. 50 minutes isnt really bad considering the read speed and ram bottleneck.

Oddly, the thing that bothered me most is that he called the '62 Samba a "camper van."

It is not a camper van, they have the pop-up tops on them. This guy's car knowledge doesnt impress me.