[QUOTE="buccomatic"]

microsoft did a good job at gitting rid of all those stupid policies that pretty much ruined the launch. but since they still refuse to get rid of kinect 2.0, it will end up sinking the xbox one like the titanic.

 

any one disagree? fine. enjoy your xbox one delusions.

 

REALITY.

Jaysonguy

Kinect 1.0

Fastest peripheral ever to 5 million units

Fastest peripheral ever to 10 million units

Fastest peripheral ever to 20 million units

It's closing in on 25

Oh look! You failed

Oh look, no one uses it and every one regrets buying it.

Think i have about 5 friends who are p!ssed about the kinect and what was promised and then the overwhelmingly dissapointing reality.

The motion control stuff needs to admit defeat now and stop making promises it can never fulfill

[QUOTE="MarcRecon"]

[QUOTE="firefox59"] Well, you're saying the opposite of what most gamers are saying. Most gamers are saying they won't use the extra stuff, which is fine. The extra stuff does include non-gaming capabilities which are what MS is going for with the 'center of your entertainment box.' That is what will draw in the casual and get non-gamers to but Xbox One. Sony doesn't have anything like that. 25 million people is nothing to sneeze at and this is way beyond what Kinect 1.0 could do.firefox59

Fanboyism is dying out my friend, I'm not here to debate which system is better because the extra features that you are talking about "STILL" won't make a big differen'ts on which system will sell better. Look at Nintendo....Sony and MS have had better Hardware and features for their systems but yet nintendo's share of the market is still impressive.

So, I'll just give you the last word because this seems to be turning into a fanboy debate and I don't do those because MS and Sony are not paying me!:)

Right

if the new kinect is improved to be even as good as a movie quality camera . . . that still does not change the fact its as useless when used like the original kinect. There is no place for it. Even with improvements you are still limited to dancing games and pet ya animal or what ever that rubbish was.

and it does less because people already have there digital boxes as i have my sky box, and microsoft got a slated for being all about TV so yes it does do it you are very right . . . but NO ONE WANTS IT.

And even if people wanted these features, Sony could change the service and offer that, but for now they will not as everyone has such strong feelings against it. The PS4 is just as capable of that.

Just because the useless features are more present does not mean has any more appeal for casual users.

You try and make it sound like the PS4 is a 90 year old cripple, where as really they just include the things people want and focus on gameing, something microsoft could learn to do better.

And i use fanboy because you clearly are . . . 

[QUOTE="MarcRecon"]

[QUOTE="firefox59"] The Xbox One has far greater multimedia capabilities than the PS4. The Sony fanboys can't take it, so they are trashing the Xbox One and saying that the PS4 focuses on games, just because it can't do some of the things the Xbox One can do + games. I mean Sony was announcing things and services at E3 as new that the 360 can already do.firefox59

lol...those extra features that you are talking about are impressive "BUT" are still faaaaaar from being revolutionary my friend!! In fact 9 out of 10 people probably won't even use the features...look at this-gen, the average person doesn't even take advantage of them now.

The core gamer probably will but the group the MS is targeting(obviously not us)still view the consoles as toys and nothing more.

Yes the PS4 could do that, they just don't because as everyone has said a million times before . . . they dont want it. I already have my sky box with all the channels i could wish for, all i want is the gaming console to be for games and movie rentals which sony has always been bigger for.

Stop the blatant fanboyism

[QUOTE="MarcRecon"]

[QUOTE="BlackShirt20"] Maybe, but Xbox One still is the revolutionary console of next gen. firefox59

Revolutionary? Besides a few great exclusives, there's nothing revolutionary about the XB1 or PS4!! They are just slight upgrades of this-gen, that's why I wasn't sure which system I wanted to purchase first...there's really not much that separates them from a hardware perspective.

LOL

I wont even bother asking you how cause you wont give me an answer.

kinect complaints = face palm. I'm going to reach far too. Why the hell does my car come with standard navigation unit!!! this is ridiculous!!!!! I shouldn't have to pay for that. im just going to take a blanket and cover it so i never have to see it. 

XxAK47xX

What a stupid post

You realize when you buy a car you get to choose the features you want and pay or not pay for them?

Seriously this is the dumbest comparrison i have seen in quite a while.

And as far as the kinect goes, it needs to be optional. No reason to tack on another $100 and force it in.

[QUOTE="pickettsticket"]

[QUOTE="firefox59"] Well for one we have already seen the UI and it kinda sucks, at least that's the general tone from what I've heard of people's opinions. I honestly don't care what the UI looks like as long as it works seamlessly and doesn't take forever to load things. Also, because Sony has more customers in Europe they should not care about the US customers? It makes sense to show off the console itself to the first group of customers rather than making them wait. That makes it seems like they care more about the European customers than the US ones. Another things, people don't go to conferences to hear new things about the console. They want to play the games. They could have already known all about the console and would still go to experience the event and get the hands on a controller.firefox59

No, just NO

If they show everything in america it is disrespectful to the european gamers, so they split it, which is sensible, your reasoning and ideas are just so american its unreal, "EVERYTHING MUST BE SHOWN IN AMERICA CAUSE THATS HOW IT SHOULD BE"

And yes they do go to hear new things, they want to be there to witness the next big thing first.

And as for the UI you say everyone says sucks . . . it has not even been completed or shown in full and there has been no negative consesnus.

Arrogance is all that comes to mind here

So you are annoyed they are listening to customers and giving them what they want? You jst made a big posotive sound like a negative . . . i dont know how you did it but well done.

[QUOTE="pickettsticket"] Its is not uneducated when all the points are valid and with proof.

Yes the PS4 is using 1gb for its operating system compared to Xbones 3gb 

Yes the components are marginally better, with the memory being significantly better (GDDR5 instead of DDR3)

And yes cloud computing has been around for a while now and Xbone is just making a big thing about it now.

All points valid and correct

firefox59

Yes the PS4 has a better GPU than the Xbox One, but I still laugh at people that think oh 5 > 3 so the PS4 has to be better right? These people don't understand the totality of the architecture. Sony decided to go more PC based with the PS4 so it has big shiny numbers and lots of RAM with a larger bandwidth to work with the GPU. It is basically a PC in a Sony box. While MS decided to put ESRAM on the die which is something that was ALREADY DONE this generation so devs already have the code and tools optimized for that kind of a system. It doesn't matter how high the bandwidth is if it is botttlenecked at the bus which is why the Xbox One with it's much larger bus brings the system to practically having the same performance. The systems just get there in a different way.

It's a shame though because devs will, just like last gen, have two different types of system to develop for (though not as ridiculously different as the Cell). Hopefully this doesn't lead to them developing games for one system and then porting them over, which is basically what happened for every 3rd party game last gen.

Yes, but all his points were still correct, that is all I am saying

And also you missed out the part where Developers still have 2GB more memory to use and work with on PS4 which is why I say significantly better. I was not talking about the bottlenecking.

[QUOTE="pickettsticket"]

[QUOTE="firefox59"] XBL as of right now is better than Sony's system. It makes sense that Sony wants to charge, but we don't know anything about the changes Sony plans to make. How will they make the online "better?" We don't know. The reveal and E3 went by and they didn't say anything. Will they announce it at TGS or gamescom? They should have revealed everything about the system at E3.firefox59

That is a stupid idea seeing as they have more customers in Europe and rightfully are waiting to show of at Gamescom.

And with the extra money they will just improve on servers and develop a great user interface.

Saying that it all should be at E3 is just plain wrong, not every gamer is situated in America and they want to go to confrences too.

No, just NO

If they show everything in america it is disrespectful to the european gamers, so they split it, which is sensible, your reasoning and ideas are just so american its unreal, "EVERYTHING MUST BE SHOWN IN AMERICA CAUSE THATS HOW IT SHOULD BE"

And yes they do go to hear new things, they want to be there to witness the next big thing first.

And as for the UI you say everyone says sucks . . . it has not even been completed or shown in full and there has been no negative consesnus.

Arrogance is all that comes to mind here

[QUOTE="wazzap76"]

If your honestly falling for the PR bull that is cloud computing I really don't know how either young and ill informed your are or just plan old dumb. Cloud computing or better known as the internet connecting to servers that host games and stat information as well as some things like the new forzas drivatar information and your save files.  Stuff like this has been around since the Internet started and it's nothing new and innovative.   Cloud computing is there buzzword they are trying to sell the public so people like you can spew a bunch of nonsense based off of zero knowledge of what it is or even what it does.

Online games will run better due to dedicated servers but these should have been on both the ps3 and the 360 to begin with. Not that some didn't have it but most didn't as companies cheaped out making you the host, and causing all sorts of problems. Easiest one to point out with those problems is call of duty. Dedicated will fix host advantage and what not and even the playing field but it's been there for computer games for years and years.

 

Another thing. Now since these consoles a basically computers you will see a graphical difference in the way both machines perform. The xbox one is a weaker machine with a weaker GPU and slower memory with less of it dedicated to games. It's also a little more complicated to program for due to the Esram they are putting in it to it.  The xbox one will be far better looking then the ps3, 360  and the wii u but it will not be able to keep up with the ps4 and it's abilities. Since essentially these are just now computers the graphics can be scaled appropriately to scale for the hardware and on paper the ps4 will do much better in performance and graphics.  Neither machine is anything to go crazy about they both are rather under powered but they are a far leap from last gen, but once again there will be the weaker machine running a worse version of the same tittle.

sebbi11

Nice crystal ball bro. Sony has showed nothing to back up your uneducated guessing, gtfo dumb cow, back to system wars. 

Its is not uneducated when all the points are valid and with proof.

Yes the PS4 is using 1gb for its operating system compared to Xbones 3gb 

Yes the components are marginally better, with the memory being significantly better (GDDR5 instead of DDR3)

And yes cloud computing has been around for a while now and Xbone is just making a big thing about it now.

All points valid and correct

It may night be as powerful, but all it has tons of new and excited features. The graphics wll be almost or as good as the PS4, but it offers you loads of features that will never be available on the PS4.

I asked my friend (die hard sony fan), Other then updated hardware what does the PS4 give you, that your PS3 doesn't already have? He couldn't answer. Until a week later when he said Gaikia! I said That is cloud storage, something 360 users already have.... And streaming, but that wont be available until Q3 2014. Xone has that launch plus Cloud Computing , something the PS4 will never have.

Personally, I like the PS franchise, they have good exclusives and all, but the Xone is superior in many ways.

BlackShirt20

PS3 has cloud storage already, as will the PS4 they just didn't get their d!cks out over it because they know no one cares (except from Xbone fans looking for reasons to buy the console)

The consoles have excactly the same abilities except in hardware were the PS4 takes it.