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[QUOTE="Mitten123"] Well the world was saying Tszyu was elite when Hatton beat him.... In regards to Mayweather and Pacman I agree with you...theyre at a different level...Mosley..Id expect to beat Hatton too...Cotto Im not so sure about...even 3 years ago...you need to remember its about styles too and Hatton Cotto would have been a dream to watch...second tier wuld bracket him as not being worhy of a world a champion which hes been for four years so is quite disrespectful of his achivements He is a top tier fighter...just not top of the tier. he should retire now and be proud of his achievements, if he does a farewell figt here in the UK - its a mistake

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I would argue that Tszyu was never elite, his biggest win was against Zab in a fight that he was getting slapped around till he landed the big right ( that made Zab dance lol). Not only that but he had only fought once in like 3 years prior to fighting Hatton.

P.S. Cotto would destroy Hatton.

are u kidding me? kostya tszyu is one of the best junior welterweight of all time. he beat julio ceasar chavez (allbeit in the twilight of his career...but he only lost 4 fights while winning 104, and he was one of em) rafael ruelas roger mayweather miguel angel hernandez along with zab judah....how can you not consider this guy not elite?

edit: here i'll give you a link to his credentials....http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=4388&cat=boxer

Imo, none of those wins are impressive.
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[QUOTE="sixringz1"][QUOTE="hillelslovak"]

ok sucks was the wrong word. But he obviously doesn't deserve to be in the ring with elite level boxers cause this is what happened. He won one round against mayweather and was slowly getting beaten down each round til he finally got knocked out. Then you have this fight. An elite level fighter is judged by how he performs against elite level competition. He's had 2 chances, and not only didn't he win either, he got destroyed. The biggest win of his career was against Kasta Tszyu. Does that really scream out elite fighter. I'm sorry but the guy is a second tier fighter. There's no other way to look at it. Mayweather, Pacquiao, Mosley, Cotto, Margarito and Williams (maybe a couple others) are first class junior welterweight and welterweight fighters. Ricky Hatton doesn't belong in that class.sixringz1

NONE of those guys are junior welterweights, and Hatton will probably never fight at WW. He doesn't belong in the ring with Williams, Margarito, Mosley, Cotto, etc etc etc because he's not a welterweight, he's a junior welterweight. He's certainly not a top level WW, because HE'S NOT A WELTERWEIGHT........

This was a JW fight and Mayweather had spent the majority of his career in JW. He only moved up to WW and then JMW his last handful of fights. That's what ELITE LEVEL FIGHTERS do. They move up to fight the best competition. It's been that way for over a century. Fighters who stay in one division to beat mediocore talent (aka Roy Jones Jr.) rather than moving up OR down in weight to find the big fight are chumps. I do give him the credit for at least giving it a shot, which is more than i could say for the likes of Roy Jones. But he is simply outclassed by elite fighters. I'm not trying to come off like i have something against the guy cause i don't. He's an entertaining fighter and always has been, which as a fan i appreciate, but he's a notch below the elite. JW and WW is a 7 lb difference. You act like it's night and day. Especially when hatton walks around at 175 lbs consistantly when he's not in training.

Actually, Mayweather fought most of his career at super featherweight. BTW Margarito should be banned for life.
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[QUOTE="sixringz1"][QUOTE="hillelslovak"] Hatton wasn't getting destroyed by Mayweather, he wasn't doing enough to win a majortiy of the rounds, but he was keeping up, and he got caught, simple. And Pacquiao has been kiking everybody's ass for YEARS. Just because Hatton got destroyed by Pacquiao (like everyone else) doesn't make him a b-level fighter, it makes Pacquiao an amazing fighter. And Hatton has not faced bums. The junior WW division is not stacked like WW, but he beat every challenger in the division until tonight. I don't know how your only losses came to the #1 and #2 boxers in the world makes you suck............Mitten123

ok sucks was the wrong word. But he obviously doesn't deserve to be in the ring with elite level boxers cause this is what happened. He won one round against mayweather and was slowly getting beaten down each round til he finally got knocked out. Then you have this fight. An elite level fighter is judged by how he performs against elite level competition. He's had 2 chances, and not only didn't he win either, he got destroyed. The biggest win of his career was against Kasta Tszyu. Does that really scream out elite fighter. I'm sorry but the guy is a second tier fighter. There's no other way to look at it. Mayweather, Pacquiao, Mosley, Cotto, Margarito and Williams (maybe a couple others) are first class junior welterweight and welterweight fighters. Ricky Hatton doesn't belong in that class.

Well the world was saying Tszyu was elite when Hatton beat him.... In regards to Mayweather and Pacman I agree with you...theyre at a different level...Mosley..Id expect to beat Hatton too...Cotto Im not so sure about...even 3 years ago...you need to remember its about styles too and Hatton Cotto would have been a dream to watch...second tier wuld bracket him as not being worhy of a world a champion which hes been for four years so is quite disrespectful of his achivements He is a top tier fighter...just not top of the tier. he should retire now and be proud of his achievements, if he does a farewell figt here in the UK - its a mistake

I would argue that Tszyu was never elite, his biggest win was against Zab in a fight that he was getting slapped around till he landed the big right ( that made Zab dance lol). Not only that but he had only fought once in like 3 years prior to fighting Hatton.

P.S. Cotto would destroy Hatton.

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[QUOTE="hillelslovak"][QUOTE="sixringz1"]

Wow, you know nothing about boxing. I think there's a great possibility that Pacquaio will never lose again after that insane performance.......hillelslovak
I know nothing about boxing? That's laughable. I've been watching the sport for damn near 20 years. My point is that an elite level fighter, which is what hatton is SUPPOSED TO BE, does not get obliderated by other elite level fighters. I'm not saying he had to beat the elite level fighters but he had to a t least prove he belonged in the same ring. He's fought 2 guys that are Elite level boxers and made him look like an amateur. That shouldn't happen. Mayweather killed him and this was a demolition. So you can tell me that when paired with the top tier fighters Hatton doesn't suck? That was my point. And it's not just these 2. He could fight Mosley, Cotto, Paul Williams, even Margarito w/out the concrete blocks in his gloves and it would be the same result. He may not suck in terms of theboxing as a whole, but once again, for being a SUPPOSED elite level boxer, he has no business being in the ring with the best - Period!Explain to me what "i don't know about boxing" based on my post

Hatton wasn't getting destroyed by Mayweather, he wasn't doing enough to win a majortiy of the rounds, but he was keeping up, and he got caught, simple. And Pacquiao has been kiking everybody's ass for YEARS. Just because Hatton got destroyed by Pacquiao (like everyone else) doesn't make him a b-level fighter, it makes Pacquiao an amazing fighter. And Hatton has not faced bums. The junior WW division is not stacked like WW, but he beat every challenger in the division until tonight. I don't know how your only losses came to the #1 and #2 boxers in the world makes you suck............

Hatton was in no way keeping up with Mayweather, it was a completely one sided ass whoopin'.
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Am I the only one who could detect the irony in this thread?
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#7 pins_basic
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Threads like these are so pointless. What if they already own a Wii or 360 and don't want to lay down another $300 on yet another console? If they don't have a console, they could always prefer a Wii or 360 over the PS3 which would both be cheaper (specially if they follow suit and have a price drop of their own). Maybe they prefer the other to consoles libraries better. It's quite silly to think that the PS3 is a must have and the other two are not. Is there a reason not too get one of the other two consoles? The Wii is different and the 360 has a large critacly acclaimed library and both will be cheaper than the PS3.
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What's going on at RTW? Where is APB?
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#9 pins_basic
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Fail.MightyMuna

Fail indeed.

Agreed. Failure. honestly, other than the inevitable FFvXIII going multiplat, I dont know what MS can show at E3 that will be a big surprise. the games they are going to announce wont surprise anyone, Forza 3, ME 2, A Rare game. etc nothing else.

Forza 3 has alredy been announced. If I were MSFT, I'd try to pick up EA now that their stock is in the gutter.
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#10 pins_basic
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EA owns Criterion, so, it would still be under EA. The problem with the franchise is the milking and lowering of it's quality, Criterion would at least up the quality.