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[QUOTE="actionquake"]Does anyone in system wars still believe that the term "HD" is anything more than a marketing slogan used to sell TV's, DVD players and cable contracts to the gullible masses. Anyone got a good definition of HD? It is an especially stupid term to use in system wars as we have high resolution textures as well as high resolution output, plus we have the PC which may or may not be "HD" depending on how you define the term. Can't we just adopt the PC mode of talking about resolutions. Your question would then become "How many people in System Wars think 720x480 is a higher resolution than 720x480?" actionquake

Ok, so, because the term "HD" is not something you made, we should all just dump the term to use the resolution terms PC uses?

Not because I didn't make it, but because there isn't a reliable usable definition. It leads to stupid posts about how without a HDTV the 360 looks the same as the Wii (because people assume that the HD part is what makes the 360 games look so much better) or how the PC doesn't do HD (which in most cases is technically correct, but only based on the semantics of the HD definition) or how 480p is HD.

Again, there is a usable reliable definition. The NTSC clearly defined standards for standard broadcasts and content and so too does the ATSC in regards to HD.

A definition which means that a majority of PC gaming is not High Definition. And which makes TV's which have a resolution of 1024x768 not HDTV's even though they can display HD content.

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http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000F6SR0O/ref=olp_product_details/102-5380714-8915337?ie=UTF8&seller=

Edit, actually that TV wouldn't be HD. And it cannot display HD content as doesn't display all lines of the ATSC specification. It's even mentioned in the user reviews on Amazon.

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[QUOTE="actionquake"]Does anyone in system wars still believe that the term "HD" is anything more than a marketing slogan used to sell TV's, DVD players and cable contracts to the gullible masses. Anyone got a good definition of HD?actionquake

HD is self-explanatory it is a higher resolution than typical television and if you think its just a marketing slogan you are nuts. PCs BTW go above HD.

But a PAL TV isn't an HDTV even though it is higher resolution than an NTSC TV, or is it?

HDTV's in Europe are governed by the DVB consortium which is similiar to the ATSC in the United States. Both the DVB and the ATSC use the same standard for High Defnition content as defined by the International Telecommunication Union.

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="actionquake"]Does anyone in system wars still believe that the term "HD" is anything more than a marketing slogan used to sell TV's, DVD players and cable contracts to the gullible masses. Anyone got a good definition of HD? It is an especially stupid term to use in system wars as we have high resolution textures as well as high resolution output, plus we have the PC which may or may not be "HD" depending on how you define the term. Can't we just adopt the PC mode of talking about resolutions. Your question would then become "How many people in System Wars think 720x480 is a higher resolution than 720x480?" actionquake

Ok, so, because the term "HD" is not something you made, we should all just dump the term to use the resolution terms PC uses?

Not because I didn't make it, but because there isn't a reliable usable definition. It leads to stupid posts about how without a HDTV the 360 looks the same as the Wii (because people assume that the HD part is what makes the 360 games look so much better) or how the PC doesn't do HD (which in most cases is technically correct, but only based on the semantics of the HD definition) or how 480p is HD.

Again, there is a usable reliable definition. The NTSC clearly defined standards for standard broadcasts and content and so too does the ATSC in regards to HD.

Well said.

But isn't there something about 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound being "technically" part of the HD experience? To be fair, someone said that only the PS3 outputs 7.1, but I could be wrong.

SemiMaster

yes, it would probably be a good idea to add the audio components as well. I do know that all 360 and PS3 games are at the minimum of DD 5.1 or DTS 5.1 which are defined as HD by the ATSC. The Wii maxes with ProLogic II.

[QUOTE="actionquake"]Does anyone in system wars still believe that the term "HD" is anything more than a marketing slogan used to sell TV's, DVD players and cable contracts to the gullible masses. Anyone got a good definition of HD? It is an especially stupid term to use in system wars as we have high resolution textures as well as high resolution output, plus we have the PC which may or may not be "HD" depending on how you define the term. Can't we just adopt the PC mode of talking about resolutions. Your question would then become "How many people in System Wars think 720x480 is a higher resolution than 720x480?" frankeyser

haha exactly. for years we PC players have been playing games in "HD" and we still play games in higher resolutions than todays "HD" home consoles. I did not really get it when the companies started marketing "HD" when i have been using "HD" since the late 80's. I also think it is ruining PC gaming in some respects because the moniters they are saling are now being limited to tv's "HD" outputs. and people don't realize they are being ripped off.

A PC resolution and HD broadcast standards are not to be confused with each other. In fact, the resolution isn't the only standard of HDTV. It also encompasses the audio broadcast as well.

Does anyone in system wars still believe that the term "HD" is anything more than a marketing slogan used to sell TV's, DVD players and cable contracts to the gullible masses. Anyone got a good definition of HD? It is an especially stupid term to use in system wars as we have high resolution textures as well as high resolution output, plus we have the PC which may or may not be "HD" depending on how you define the term. Can't we just adopt the PC mode of talking about resolutions. Your question would then become "How many people in System Wars think 720x480 is a higher resolution than 720x480?" actionquake

It's not a marketing slogan. It's an official standard adopted by the ATSC and defined by the International Telecommunication Union.

while not neccessary at this moment the pure memory advantage of blu-ray/hd-dvd is crucial to the future of gaming because as games become bigger while at the same time include more detailed in the smallest of places that memory is a huge plus. you can only compress so much w/o having to sacrifice something.jyoung312

While that is true, it has very little to do with pure fact of HD display capability.

The 360 is capable of natively rendering 1080p games if that game is developed at 1080p and is capable of upscaling games to 1080p.

The 360 can upscale DVDs to HD with the VGA cable on non-HDMI units only. HDMI 360's can upscale DVD's to to HD via VGA and HDMI.

The PS3 can natively render games in 1080p, if that game is developed at 1080p. Games that are 720p and 1080i developed cannot be upscaled by the PS3 to 1080p. Games that are 720p only are downscaled to 480p on HDTV's that are 1080i only.

The PS3 can upscale DVD's to HD via the HDMI cable on all units.

The PS3 does not come with HD cables, either component or HDMI cables are needed. The 360 Premium and Elite do come with cables (component and HDMI with the elite). The Core does not include them.

The PS3 can and does upscale PS2 and PS1 games to HD.

The Wii is not capable of HD, even with the component cables because the max of the console is 480p, which isn't HD.

Bluray and HD-DVD are not required to display high definition video.

Are there any others I've forgotten?