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#1 redstorm72
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@GazaAli said:

@AutoPilotOn said:

@GazaAli: I thought the U.S. is quite clear it gets involved in the Middle East and Isis because it effects US interests.

So the U.S and Americans shouldn't act surprised and dismayed when someone decides to take the battle home or to hit back. This ends a decades old rhetoric of how backwards and freedom hating the Middle East is, how radical and violent Islam is and how noble and moral the west is.

Not to be "that guy" but the Middle East/Islam does sort of hate freedom (ie. death to girls who what to go to school and gays!) and is more than a touch violent (ie. Death to the Jews! Death to Americans! Death to the Hindu! Death to random sub sect of Islam! Death to cartoonists who draw Muhamed! etc).

No one is saying the West has clean hands in this, but one side is clearly not on the same page as the rest of the modern world.

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#2 redstorm72
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@GazaAli said:

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CANADA, AT WAR FOR 13 YEARS, SHOCKED THAT ‘A TERRORIST’ ATTACKED ITS SOLDIERS

I personally used to think of Canada as the more "refined" part of NA. Apparently it succumbed to the same irrational, unjust and absolutely self-destructive mentality and now it brought the "enemy" to its own home.

Irrational, unjust, and self-destructive? Just an FYI, we're not the ones taking pride in beheading civilians on camera and murdering our own citizens by the boat load, that's your neck of the woods buddy.

Also, this is a "damned if you do and damned if you don't" situation for the west. Either they intervene and everyone hates us for fucking around in the Middle East, or we do nothing and everyone hates us for not helping the Middle East.

What I'm discussing here is the legitimacy of western involvement in what's happening at the other end of the world, something that has absolutely nothing to do with the western world. Try to stick to that point instead of attempting to divert the discussion into the legitimacy of what ISIS is doing. That's hardly a topic of dispute to sensible men.

As such, why would anyone hate Canada, Denmark, The Netherlands, Belgium...etc for not getting involved in such a clusterfuck taking place halfway across the world? Neighboring countries that can be said to be affected in a potentially very real way had the sensibility to abstain from entering that U.S-led coalition. How does Canada have no choice but to get involved in others' business and to go out of its way to poke the hornet nest with a stick for no apparent reason? Besides, I didn't know that governments and nations base their strategic decisions on public opinion outside their own territories, if they include public opinion in the decision making process of matters of national security at all to begin with.

I'd be very interested in knowing how they make you believe in that poorly fabricated nonsense, other than the "they hate our freedoms" drivel.

So I suppose we should just stand back and let ISIS slaughter thousands of innocent people? We've done that before (ex. the West being too slow to take action during the Rawandan genocide) and it was a mistake. Not only that, but do you think the West would really let ISIS set up shop and become a regional power when they clearly consider us the enemy (regardless of whether we get involved in the Middle East or not)?

I'm not saying getting involved is a good idea, but this is hardly a black and white issue.

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#3 redstorm72
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It's weird, but the ones I'm most excited about on that list are Aquaman and Suicide Squad. The others I imagine will all be fairly standard comic book movie fare (which isn't necessarily a bad thing) but these two are the wild cards for me. Aquaman has always been represented as a lame hero, but could be awesome if done right (plus I like Mamoa) and Suicide Squad is actually a fairly unique concept, at least for this genre. Also looking forward to all the ensemble films (JL 1 and 2, BvS). Not terribly interested in Wonder women, Flash, Green Lantern, or Cyborg (seriously, how did he get his own movie?) though.

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#4 redstorm72
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@GazaAli said:

@Stesilaus said:

CANADA, AT WAR FOR 13 YEARS, SHOCKED THAT ‘A TERRORIST’ ATTACKED ITS SOLDIERS

I personally used to think of Canada as the more "refined" part of NA. Apparently it succumbed to the same irrational, unjust and absolutely self-destructive mentality and now it brought the "enemy" to its own home.

Irrational, unjust, and self-destructive? Just an FYI, we're not the ones taking pride in beheading civilians on camera and murdering our own citizens by the boat load, that's your neck of the woods buddy.

Also, this is a "damned if you do and damned if you don't" situation for the west. Either they intervene and everyone hates us for fucking around in the Middle East, or we do nothing and everyone hates us for not helping the Middle East.

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#5 redstorm72
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My god I love James Spader. Ultron looks like he is going to be badass villain. Other than that the trailer looks like a pretty standard comic book movie trailer (which is not a bad thing). I'm also digging the bleaker tone. Overall, very excited.

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And the first two movies already made roughly 2 billion dollars, and the third will probably make the total over 3 billion. So a decent investment overall. In general I can't fathom the production costs of movies anymore.

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#7 redstorm72
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Some sources have identified the dead gunman as Michael Zehaf-Bibeau and he may have had connections to ISIS. Lookin like D was the right, if predictable, answer.

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#8 redstorm72
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@softwaregeek said:

Do you think the shooters are:

A. Fed up Canadians

B. Local criminals

C. Redneck gun toting 'Murican's

D. Muslim Extremists

E. None of the Above

Unfortunately, probably D. It was only two days ago that another radicalized muslim Canadian struck two Canadian Armed Forces personnel with his car (killing one) before he himself was shot and killed. That attack might have motivated this/these guy(s) to step up their attack.

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One thing I was always kind of proud of about Canada was that we didn't need ridiculous amounts of security to feel safe. I mean hell, you can just walk into Parliment if you want to. I guess that will change now. One of the weirder experiences Ive had is watching how over a 15 minute span, my entire class went from normal, to getting super quite as more and more people got calls/messages from friends and family.

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#10 redstorm72
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My bad, here's a local link

#http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/gunman-is-killed-in-ottawa-three-separate-shootings-confirmed-1.2065443