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#1 rorskarch
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:|[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] the story in both games was garbage ...so its not like its out of line :|. jg4xchamp

how can you say cood4 has a better story than kz2.............:|

Um....in what way is Killzone 2s story worth praising? 1st one is Sci-fi, the other one is going for a more gritty, grounded, realistic toned storyline. and if we really want to take shots at Killzone 2 lets see Lame Ending(both games had one), Rico(annoying as hell), the worst dialogue in a long time(not RE 1 PS1 bad, but atleast RE 1 was funny bad), and a gigantic Sci-fi cliche storyline overall :| COD 4 was standard warfare story...while Killzone 2 was standard sci-fi action...Neither game stands out as some impressive work in story. In fact both were utter failures in that department.

well i though the background story of killzone, not neccesseraly what was solely presented in the game, is pretty cool.
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#2 rorskarch
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[QUOTE="rorskarch"][QUOTE="cowgriller"]

and fourth time: they are still rated off the same standard. you don't create a new set of criteria per reviewed unit.

cowgriller

THAT DOESNT CHANGE ANYTHING I SAID. eventually though, it just gets harder to achieve that criteria. for **** pete's sake.

on the contrary it gets easier. the criteria, in the case of computer's is how well and fast it is able to perform certain tasks. the more advanced a computer is, the faster the task is completed.

as for video games, the criteria would be the story: does it have.

storytelling: if it does have a story, how does it play out. does the script flow properly when the player advances through the game?

graphics: not only is it good to look at, but technical achievement: high quality graphics with little or no slow down of frame rate. are there any bugs like screen tearing or clipping?

controls: are they too complex, too simplistic? is there input lag associated with the control?

audio: does the audio mix envelope the gamer? does it sound realistic? is the sound muffled or tinny?

do you finally understand? this is how game are rated. the less problems they have, the better the score.

a game is released with the best audio, controls, graphics, storytelling, and story yet, and gets a 10. the next year another game comes out that has better audio, controls, graphics, storytelling, and story, so it receives a 10/10. withing the same week, the same first game is released by another company, and it gets a 9/10 because the bar has been set higher. now that i have simplified the analogy by actually using the subject that we are discussing, do you get it? :)
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#3 rorskarch
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[QUOTE="rorskarch"][QUOTE="cowgriller"]

i've read it, i understand it but your not getting it. the way that the computers are rated is based on a set of standards. the better the score it receives the better it is. btw, your analogy sucks because games are like computers. computers have new hardware and the hardware is rates whereas games stay on the same hardware (per generation) and are rated equally by a set of standards. standards which i wrote almost 3 pages back which you failed to read.

cowgriller

this is where i sigh out of completely desperation and choose to just walk away out of the fact that I am arguing with a wall...

or in other words, walk away defeated because you are fully aware you lost the argument. an argument in which you have no proof and had to create a hypothetical situation. a hypothetical situation which blew up in your face because you failed to think it out completely.

you provided no proof that supported your argument. i didnt loose anything here. please don't lie :)
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#4 rorskarch
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[QUOTE="rorskarch"][QUOTE="cowgriller"]

i don't have to play it. it's a cheap rip off of CoD4. i've played call of duty 4. it's good but not great. it had a story, unlike kz2, but unfortunately it was too short.

jg4xchamp

:lol: now he even says cod4 has a better story than kz2! lol thats just priceless! you havent even played it.

the story in both games was garbage ...so its not like its out of line :|.

how can you say cood4 has a better story than kz2.............:|

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#5 rorskarch
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[QUOTE="rorskarch"][QUOTE="cowgriller"]

and what was your point? that two computers of different speeds ahve to rated differently? no. that's not how rating is done. you obviously are avoiding my point. regardless when a game is released, or for what console it's released, it WILL be judged by a set of standards that do not change just because the times do. you don't look at a movie that was critically acclaimed in the past and say it's crap by todays standard. you look at it as an achievement and a bar that has to be raised by future releases.

cowgriller

a computer is released top of the line, fastest yet, on one day. the next day, a faster computer comes out. if that same computer was re-released by a different company the day the faster one was, then it would not be considered as good, even though it was supposedly the best the day before. i've copied this 3 times, either you're not reading it or you dont get it... 4th time....

and fourth time: they are still rated off the same standard. you don't create a new set of criteria per reviewed unit.

THAT DOESNT CHANGE ANYTHING I SAID. eventually though, it just gets harder to achieve that criteria. for **** pete's sake.
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#6 rorskarch
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[QUOTE="rorskarch"][QUOTE="cowgriller"]

the standard is rating based on speed. since both are rated on the standard, the standard did not change. the technology may have changed but the way they are reviewed remains the same. hence, standard. do you finally understand?

cowgriller

:lol: dude, you really dont get it do you. a computer is released top of the line, fastest yet, on one day. the next day, a faster computer comes out. if that same computer was re-released by a different company the day the faster one was, then it would not be considered as good, even though it was supposedly the best the day before. i've copied this 3 times, either you're not reading it or you dont get it...

i've read it, i understand it but your not getting it. the way that the computers are rated is based on a set of standards. the better the score it receives the better it is. btw, your analogy sucks because games are like computers. computers have new hardware and the hardware is rates whereas games stay on the same hardware (per generation) and are rated equally by a set of standards. standards which i wrote almost 3 pages back which you failed to read.

this is where i sigh out of completely desperation and choose to just walk away out of the fact that I am arguing with a wall...
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#7 rorskarch
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[QUOTE="rorskarch"][QUOTE="cowgriller"]

so you rest you case with no point. nice job. fun is not considered a major factor in game review. it is considered, but it's not the biggest. the technical aspects give the game the score it deserves.

as for the computer analogy,again, i say now what i said before. both computers are based and reviewed on the same standard: speed. yes one computer is faster and more powerful than the other, but both are judged equally using the same rating criteria.

cowgriller

firstly, dont try to ignore my point when it is obviously there, i mean really, wow... secondly, why don't you just read what I write, mmk? yes they are obviously both judged by their speed, but if that same computer was re-released by a different company the day the faster one was, then it would not be considered as good, even though it was supposedly the best the day before.

and what was your point? that two computers of different speeds ahve to rated differently? no. that's not how rating is done. you obviously are avoiding my point. regardless when a game is released, or for what console it's released, it WILL be judged by a set of standards that do not change just because the times do. you don't look at a movie that was critically acclaimed in the past and say it's crap by todays standard. you look at it as an achievement and a bar that has to be raised by future releases.

a computer is released top of the line, fastest yet, on one day. the next day, a faster computer comes out. if that same computer was re-released by a different company the day the faster one was, then it would not be considered as good, even though it was supposedly the best the day before. i've copied this 3 times, either you're not reading it or you dont get it... 4th time....
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#8 rorskarch
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="cowgriller"] it was a showcase of ps3 hardware that failed to sell well. it's a game with poor controls and lacks a story.

cowgriller

How do you know this. Basing an opinion off things you've read. Not that you've actually played it.

i don't have to play it. it's a cheap rip off of CoD4. i've played call of duty 4. it's good but not great. it had a story, unlike kz2, but unfortunately it was too short.

:lol: now he even says cod4 has a better story than kz2! lol thats just priceless! you havent even played it.
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#9 rorskarch
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[QUOTE="rorskarch"][QUOTE="cowgriller"]

the time may be different, the concept remains the same.

cowgriller

the concept remains the same yet the standards to that have changed.

the standard is rating based on speed. since both are rated on the standard, the standard did not change. the technology may have changed but the way they are reviewed remains the same. hence, standard. do you finally understand?

:lol: dude, you really dont get it do you. a computer is released top of the line, fastest yet, on one day. the next day, a faster computer comes out. if that same computer was re-released by a different company the day the faster one was, then it would not be considered as good, even though it was supposedly the best the day before. i've copied this 3 times, either you're not reading it or you dont get it...
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#10 rorskarch
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[QUOTE="rorskarch"][QUOTE="cowgriller"]

actually the killzone franchise was originally designed to compete with the halo franchise, hence the "halo-killer" moniker it obtained. killzone 2 was designed to be a showcase of ps3 hardware and it still failed to outscore halo 3.

cowgriller

killzone 2 was designed to be a showcase of ps3 hardware and it is. other gaming websites and publicity people labeled killzone the "halo killer." you still dont know what sony's intentions were in designing killzone.

it was a showcase of ps3 hardware that failed to sell well. it's a game with poor controls and lacks a story.

it has excellent controls, that many just find difficult because it is different ;) this is a perfect example of how you are conforming. you havent even played the game, yet you actually judge how it plays based on what others said, in which case you still didnt pay enough attention, because anyone will tell you they are just different. as for story, it is arguably just as good as any other fps. I sure dont care how many OTHER people bought the game.