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#1 s0matic
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I second waiting for the 5850/5870. They release on the 22nd and should be around $300/$400 respectively, and given your budget it would make sense to wait it out a bit and grab one of those cards.

You can build a nice i5 750 with a 5850 for sub or around $1k. I'd only go the i7 route if you're dead set on getting a SLI setup, you'll probably get more bang for your buck if you get and i5 and stick with a single 5850/5870.

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I hope you or your friend don't live in CA, NJ, or TN, cause sales tax will put this over $500 :)

SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223B - OEM $30.99
COOLER MASTER ELITE 335 RC-335-KKN1-GP Black SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail $39.99
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM $79.99
ECS BLACK SERIES GF8200A (V1.0) AM2+/AM3 NVIDIA GeForce 8200 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail $69.99 w/ $20 MIR
MSI R4850-2D512-OC Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail $99.99 w/ $15 MIR
OCZ StealthXStream OCZ400SXS 400W ATX12V Active PFC Power Supply - Retail $39.99 w/ $15 MIRC (Mail-in rebate card)
Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM $6.99
PNY XLR8 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model MD4096KD2-800-X4 - Retail $59.99 w/ $15 MIR
AMD Athlon II X4 620 Propus 2.6GHz Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core Processor Model ADX620WFGIBOX - Retail $99.00
Rosewill RFX-120 120mm Case Fan - Retail $7.99

Subtotal: $534.91
Shipping: $10.71
Total: $545.62

Mail in Rebates: $50
Mail in Rebate Card: $15

Grand Total (w/ Rebate Card): $480.62 (without rebate card): $495.62

This build assumes you won't pay sales tax, and you don't mind the rebate hassle. The rebate card can be redeemed for cash/check as well but it's a bit more effort.

If you don't need the quad-core Athlon for multi-threaded stuff, you can swap it for a X3 720 BE for $20 more and get better gaming performance, which would put the total @ $500.62 with the rebate card :)

I actually ordered this today, minus the optical drive, so I just added whatever was rated well in the top-sellers at Newegg.

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#3 s0matic
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True competitive fighting game play should be kept delegated to offline, sure.But I don't believe just because the high-level of play possible in local compeitition may not be possible online (given certain circumstances, which I'll go over), doesn't mean that it should not provide a fun experience for the player, regardless if you're excellent at fighting games or not.

I'd like to say a fun experience in online games is possible, if the following points are considered:

Net Code / Online backend: This is more of a developer's side issue rather than the players, but I'd venture to guess that the net code / online backend in fighting games may not be as mature as those found in more established online gaming genre's (for example, PC First Person Shooters.) Given online fighting games, as they stand, are more of a rarity in comparison to other games, I would imagine that this aspect could only improve over time as more online fighting games are released.

Intelligent matchmaking: Latency is an inevitabilty, regardless of what aspect of the internet you're talking about. Truth is, lower latencies are still preferable in any type of online gameplay you engage in, regardless of game genre. Therefore, it would be wise in the game and players' interests to minimize this lag as much as possible, and make it clear to the player when such latency minimization may not take place. Make it so the player may only specify matches within a certain ping range, or warn the player where the higher latencies may have a more drastic effect on gameplay. In the second scenario, the player has two options, either deny such a match from taking place in the first place (a viable option,) or accept the match and be prepared to compensate for the additional lag, which leads to the next point.

Compensation: An online game player will need to compensate for latency at any level, just the compensation will be higher at higher pings. However, the compensation needed for low latency gameplay (100ms at MAX, I would say,) is not all that drastic. Even at 100ms, such a delay would only be 0.1 tenths of a second, or in terms of frames, 6 frames. This delay in frames will increase at higher pings, but despite this, it should be possible for the player to compensate depending on the situation.

Compensation is unavoidable. It takes place all the time in online shooters. At higher latencies, it forces the player to predict the enemy's actions ahead of time. This means expecting where your enemy will be, and shooting where he will be based on your delay. Again, the extent of this is dependant on ping, and it only gets noticeable once you stray above 150ms. Point is, it should not be impossible for the player to compensate for latency in the fighting game arena by either predicting your opponent more, or relying on much safer strings and approaches.

To quote Gamespot on VF5's upcoming online play directly:

We tried a few matches, and, with our total hypersensitivity to lag, of course we noticed it. However, what we experienced wasn't game-breaking. It's definitely there, but it's possible to compensate for it.GameSpot

Balance: This one should be self-explanatory. The game should not be broken, balance-wise.

And lastly, on the point on whether the player will have fun playing game given that these circumstances are met, will still rely upon the player him/herself. Given the broad range in player skill possible in an online environment, it's only inevitable that there will be players on a skill level far higher than most normal players are capable of. It's what the player makes out of such an experience, whether the player accepts the defeat and possibly learns some tactics from it, or simply dismisses it because said player is "cheap." All in the eye of the beholder.

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The case and motherboard usually come with all the connectors you need (meaning, you only need extra cables if you're adding a large number of drives.) So you're fine in that respect.
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#5 s0matic
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Newegg all the way. Most of my past purchases in the past have usually been with Newegg and/or Monarch Computer (to avoid tax in California.) Newegg beats them in every aspect, despite the tax.

Even with sales tax, Newegg's customer support, quick shipping, and RMA service make them one of the best online retailers for computer parts around.
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#6 s0matic
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I can't vouch directly for Gateway. In the past, Dell's PSU's have been just fine for upgrades. Though I can't really say Gateway would be the same in that respect.

http://support.gateway.com/support/default.asp#

Check that link out for your particular model of Gateway PC. Usually they will have a section listing the components of your system, and hopefully your PSU as well. 

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#7 s0matic
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Looks great.

I'm assuming the case does not come with case fans (or does it? The description is a little ambiguous.) Therefore look into a pair of 120mm fans.

Grab some Arctic Silver 5 too assuming MWave will put it on for you (specify through a special request maybe?)

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#8 s0matic
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Is your PSU from a reputable brand? If so, it's probably safe to say that 300w would be just fine.

While most would say that 300w is cutting it pretty close nowadays, I think, given your minimal configuration, you would be hard pressed to put more than 300w at any given time, even at load.
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#9 s0matic
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Beware, HD-Tuners are usually hard to find. As in, not usually readily available in your local electronic stores. And if you do find one, chances are they might be more than what you would have been willing to spend for it in the first place.

That said, I think it's probably adviseable to just purchase a complete HDTV that you really want to purchase (despite price inhibitions) since most HDTV's nowadays have built-in-tuners.
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#10 s0matic
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Careful though...an unintended side-effect of this usually makes your friends come to you if they ever need help with computer problems, which in turn may lead to more computer building.

Whether or not that's a good thing, we'll you'll probably decide for yourself soon enough :P