I played for an hour or so then had to go to work. Great art, graphics, sound, and, controls. Quality wise it seems highly polished. For example when you make the wind hit things for fun not related to main story and make leaves fly, people act surprised, etc. Kind of like a good Blizzard game in that it has that extra effort put into the details.

A good wireless G router is $45 and is not needed as you can plug an ethernet line into the Wii. Just read your instruction manual to find out how. Oh wait you don't own a Wii and know very little about it. Nevermind.

This thread needs a car analagy. Bascially Nintendo is like Ferrari, taking materials and making them into something that is extremely highy valued and talked about. XBOX is like Toyota, making a product valued moderately more than its cost of production. Sony is like GM, makeing a product with less value than the cost of the some of its parts.

It also needs a restaurant analagy. Basically Nintendo is like fine dining where the profit margins are higher but it is worth the price. Microsoft is like Take out food, still good but not quite the value added. Sony is like, "hey waiter, there is a blu ray in my soup."

According to the secondary market (half.com) The Wii has a value of $350. The XBOX has a value of $60. The Wii is under priced by $100 and is over 5 times as valuable as the XBOX.

The value of a product is not the same as cost of production. A well designed product will have a value higher than its cost of production. One artist can make a paiting worth $100,000 out of $200 cost of supplies while another can make a painting worth $20 out of the same $200 cost of supplies. According to your logic both paintings would have equal value because the both cost the same to make.*

Companies do the same as artists, they take parts which when put together in a well designed manner are worth more than their cost.

*Your cost estimates are highly flawed obviously but that is another issue.

Please look at the post I was responding to. The "why in the world" part. The claim was it was crazy to buy a HDTV to watch DVD. The reality is that HDTV unlocks detail on DVDs not seen before. It is amazing how future proof they made DVD's in this regard and it will be a reason blu ray never overtakes DVD and ends up like laserdisk. Laserdisk had its own format war that it 'won' (what was the loser called?)

I Own a HDTV, Comcast with 120GB HD DVR, Encore, Starz, HBO with free on demand for those channels or can easlliy dump the HDTV movies from those channels onto my DVR if is being shown but is not on demand.

I am still blown away from the quality of anamorphic widescreen DVD's in my home theater on my HDTV.

When my 1 year special Comcast deal runs out I will drop all HDTV and movie channels and just watch upconverted DVD's, standard cable, and 6 Over the air HDTV Channels. HDTV is fine but it is not worth $30 extra per month or $10 extra per movie on disk. Maybe it whould be nice on one or two favorate action movies but on most stuff like South Park, movie comedies and drama, the difference is not worth any additional expense. I am not buying a player for one or two action movies I'll just leave them on my DVR in HD or stick it DVD.

[QUOTE="sailing3"][QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]

I agree on the damage control 100%. If nothing interests you on PS3 than your just not a gamer period.

Anyway I believe Blu-ray will help PS3 sales, the way I look at it is if you own or plan on getting an HDTV PS3 is the only console that will provide you the full experience of HD gaming and HD movies. And for those that say DVD is good enough why in the world did you spend hundreds if not thousands on getting a new HDTV then???

The_Crucible

Look up "Anamorphic Widescreen DVD". Hint: A 16:9 HDTV will display detail off your DVD's never before seen on your 4:3 SDTV. If all DVD's were pan and scan you would have a point but DVD's were designed from the start to work best with 16x9 TV's which makes them futurproof.

Now tell me that 16:9 image at a resolution of 720x480 (or whatever, this is the max for DVD), is better or as good as 1280x720 or 1920x1080.

I was answering the question why someone would buy an HDTV without blu ray:

1. To view detail (lines or resolution) stored on their extensive DVD collections deleted from the signal being sent to their 4x3 TVs but passed on fully to thier new HD TVs.

Here are some more:

2. To play 360 games

3. to watch the Superbowl and other over the air HDTV.

4. To watch HDTV over satellite

5. To watch HDTV cable programes

6. To watch HDTV on demand movies and programs (comcast)

7. To watch HDTV off thier Comcast DVR.

8. To watch HDTV movies downloaded by 360

9. Because the screen is bigger

10. Because it is thin an looks neat hanging on a wall

I agree on the damage control 100%. If nothing interests you on PS3 than your just not a gamer period.

Anyway I believe Blu-ray will help PS3 sales, the way I look at it is if you own or plan on getting an HDTV PS3 is the only console that will provide you the full experience of HD gaming and HD movies. And for those that say DVD is good enough why in the world did you spend hundreds if not thousands on getting a new HDTV then???

EmperorSupreme

Look up "Anamorphic Widescreen DVD". Hint: A 16:9 HDTV will display detail off your DVD's never before seen on your 4:3 SDTV. If all DVD's were pan and scan you would have a point but DVD's were designed from the start to work best with 16x9 TV's which makes them futurproof.

You can't play in HD without buying an HD monitor, which, unlike HDTVs, is non-essential for everyday use, whereas you buy an HDTV becuase it is far better, and you use it's HD-ness whenever you use it. Whereas with a monitor, you only really get the full effect when gaming.

mechworrior762

Gems like this is what makes reading this forum worthwhile. Thankyou!

If you freeze a movie any moving objects are a blur. The camera holds its shutter open for a long time making the transition between frames smooth. That is why 24 fps is good enough for movies but not vidoe games rendering clean frames.

Someone do the math please... I'm too lazy

SER69

November Weekly (Oct 29-Dec 2)
Week Wii PS3 Winner
1 37,617 17,434 Wii Wins
2 34,546 55,924 PS3 wins
3 36,230 39,178 PS3 WIns
4 54,362 50,564 Wii Wins
5 74,764 37,092 Wii wins

November Cumulative (Oct 29-Dec 2)
Week Wii PS3 Leader
1 37,617 17,434 Wii
2 72,163 73,358 PS3
3 108,393 112,536 PS3
4 162,755 163,100 PS3
5 237,519 200,192 Wii