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[QUOTE="sigh-_-"][QUOTE="toxic_jackal"]

I am a Roman Catholic. I would vote for the most part, yes. While the Catholic Church (why are we specifically looking at the RCC? What about Christianity in general?) has done some bad things in the past, I would vote it has done more good. Just because some people have done bad things doesn't mean I'm going to stop being Catholic. A priest that molests a child is not the "Catholic Church." I think this was a rather badly worded topic. Wouldn't it make sense to say "On balance, have Roman Catholics been a good thing?" While I am Roman Catholic, I am not the "Roman Catholic Church." I think the OP should have addressed us as individuals, not the Church as a whole (meaning we are all good or all bad).

To top things off TC, what have you contributed to society that is good?

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I was referring to the clergy and the institution itself rather than its laity, hence I think my wording is reasonable. What is the relevance of my contributions to society?

The church is made up of individuals....you are an individual....seems a reasonable question.

Because?
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I am a Roman Catholic. I would vote for the most part, yes. While the Catholic Church (why are we specifically looking at the RCC? What about Christianity in general?) has done some bad things in the past, I would vote it has done more good. Just because some people have done bad things doesn't mean I'm going to stop being Catholic. A priest that molests a child is not the "Catholic Church." I think this was a rather badly worded topic. Wouldn't it make sense to say "On balance, have Roman Catholics been a good thing?" While I am Roman Catholic, I am not the "Roman Catholic Church." I think the OP should have addressed us as individuals, not the Church as a whole (meaning we are all good or all bad).

To top things off TC, what have you contributed to society that is good?

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I was referring to the clergy and the institution itself rather than its laity, hence I think my wording is reasonable. What is the relevance of my contributions to society?
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#3 sigh-_-
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[QUOTE="sigh-_-"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I know what this thread is about...and I still find it offensive.LJS9502_basic
So? You have no right not to be offended, and frankly I don't know what you expected from a topic called 'on balance, has the Catholic Church been a good thing?'

I don't think a topic like that needs to be made. Substitute any other group in there and see how fast it gets locked.

No topic NEEDS to be made; internet forum discussion is ultimately a frivolous thing. What's your point?
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="sigh-_-"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I started to read this thread and then got very very annoyed with the facts being ignored and bias used against the church. Yes...there is good and bad leaders in every group. Let me restate that....EVERY GROUP. Catholics are people as well. They DO no more bad than individuals in any other group. Overall they contribute quite a bit to charity......help very needy people.....and teach love and forgiveness. And those bringing up the Crusades......that was in retaliation to aggression from the Muslims. They DID NOT start the war.

This thread is about the Catholic Church itself, not its laity. Anyway, Pope John Paul II himself apologised for the Crusades - do you think he was wrong to do so?

I know what this thread is about...and I still find it offensive.

So? You have no right not to be offended, and frankly I don't know what you expected from a topic called 'on balance, has the Catholic Church been a good thing?'
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I started to read this thread and then got very very annoyed with the facts being ignored and bias used against the church. Yes...there is good and bad leaders in every group. Let me restate that....EVERY GROUP. Catholics are people as well. They DO no more bad than individuals in any other group. Overall they contribute quite a bit to charity......help very needy people.....and teach love and forgiveness. And those bringing up the Crusades......that was in retaliation to aggression from the Muslims. They DID NOT start the war.

This thread is about the Catholic Church itself, not its laity. Anyway, Pope John Paul II himself apologised for the Crusades - do you think he was wrong to do so?
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It's marketed as 'unlimited', which actually means 100GB. I hate ISPs. Lying bastards.
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If my country was right and in real danger, sure.
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What's going on with all these sunspot graphs? Yes, a small proportion of global warming is attributed to changes in solar activity. This has been known for a while.
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[QUOTE="R_Dawkins"][QUOTE="sigh-_-"][QUOTE="R_Dawkins"] Utilitarian eh? Care to delve further and give me a more lucid account of yourself sir?

no :x

Well, I won't disturb those precious "axioms" of yours then.

you're an axiom :x
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[QUOTE="sigh-_-"]I'm happy to consider positive feelings axiomatically good and negative feelings axiomatically bad, and it thus follows that any action which increases total positive feelings is good and any action which decreases total negative feelings is bad. This is, of course, independent of social mores.R_Dawkins
Utilitarian eh? Care to delve further and give me a more lucid account of yourself sir?

no :x