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#1 so_hai
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It's only Sony who is unimaginative to sequal-ize their systems.

We didn't see the XBOX 2, or even the Wii 2...

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#2 so_hai
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So many innovations occurred through the construction of narrow platforms (consoles).

PC hasn't innovated anything, it has only strengthened its existing components - the reason being is that there is no real first party.

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#3 so_hai
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@uninspiredcup: Good point. A bit like Steve Jobs..

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#4 so_hai
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I don't think Kojima is as clever as people make out, however, his releases are always quality independent of my taste.

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#5 so_hai
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@DocSanchez said:
@so_hai said:

If a price drop implies failure, then an expensive launch price implies success.

That's ridiculous logic.

Exactly - so to believe the first half is absurd.

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@Jacanuk said:
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You're right, you didn't call me a dummy, it was worse: "dude gotta be dumb as a mofo..."

Why would they look over your decision if the publisher has final word on the price?

Holy cow are you still trying to argue that Valve sets the price and not the developer/publisher?

Do you also argue with someone calling a blue car blue?

The reason Valve review the prices is to make sure there are no mistakes, nothing else.

I'm not arguing anything - i'm asking questions about the claim that Valve doesn't set prices at all. This claim is yet to be shown as absolute.

The documentation did not explicitly support this, and details that you've given since are just guesses. Such as "to make sure there are no mistakes"...

Their wording does not state that they are as hands-off as you're making out.

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#7 so_hai
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@sheephats said:
@so_hai said:
@sheephats said:
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@Jacanuk said:

So besides the immature rant at the start.

You are reading the facts like someone is reading the bible. Nowhere does it say that only a certain partner can alter the prices,

"Partners on Steam are responsible for setting and managing pricing for their products. The Steamworks Developer site provides tools to configure pricing and discounts in all the currencies supported by Steam. Initial pricing as well as proposed pricing adjustments will be reviewed by Valve and are usually processed within one or two business days. We recommend pricing strategies based on our experience and we may suggest prices based on currency conversions and other factors. During processing we will attempt to check your prices for input errors, but we can't guarantee we will catch every one so please check your prices carefully before submitting."

And as it states "Only certain publisher accounts have the necessary permissions to enter or adjust pricing or configure discounts for your products on Steam" which means they only allow certain accounts access to this, meaning that in big companies where there are multiple accounts, they lock it down so only the person/s who actually should review and change the price can.

And why Valve have a review process is as they say to make sure that prices are not set in error and also to help out.

Bolding the section that you favor doesn't alter the the detail that says everything is reviewed by Steam. However, I will try the trick here:

Initial pricing as well as proposed pricing adjustments will be reviewed by Valve.

They review it all, which stops people from undermining their business.

@so_hai said:

People repeat this ad nausem. Where did you read that Steam does not set prices?

1 i never called you dummy. dont lie.

2 see? u basically acknowledge that ur wrong. ur original claim was that steam sets the price of other ppls work (which makes no sense btw) now evidence have been posted which u keep ignoring ( like the video evidence from a valve employee).

3 look up what the world review means. hint...it doest mean steam sets the price of the stuff on steam. it just means they look over ur decisions and thats it.

You're right, you didn't call me a dummy, it was worse: "dude gotta be dumb as a mofo..."

Why would they look over your decision if the publisher has final word on the price?

no it was "dumb as a mofo IF".

because its their store? also that wasnt what u first claimed so its irrelevant to the discussion.

You're right - it's their store, and they set the prices if they see fit.

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@sheephats said:
@so_hai said:
@Jacanuk said:
@so_hai said:

@sheephats: Hey moron - it's not about what anyone believes, it's about what the truth is.

The documentation says:

- Initial and proposed pricing is REVIEWED by Valve.

- Only certain publisher accounts have the NECESSARY permissions to make these adjustments.

- Valve GRANTS the permission to alter your price.

None of this implies that all publishers set their prices at any given time. All it means is that some can some of the time. It's not absolute like your trying to make out.

So besides the immature rant at the start.

You are reading the facts like someone is reading the bible. Nowhere does it say that only a certain partner can alter the prices,

"Partners on Steam are responsible for setting and managing pricing for their products. The Steamworks Developer site provides tools to configure pricing and discounts in all the currencies supported by Steam. Initial pricing as well as proposed pricing adjustments will be reviewed by Valve and are usually processed within one or two business days. We recommend pricing strategies based on our experience and we may suggest prices based on currency conversions and other factors. During processing we will attempt to check your prices for input errors, but we can't guarantee we will catch every one so please check your prices carefully before submitting."

And as it states "Only certain publisher accounts have the necessary permissions to enter or adjust pricing or configure discounts for your products on Steam" which means they only allow certain accounts access to this, meaning that in big companies where there are multiple accounts, they lock it down so only the person/s who actually should review and change the price can.

And why Valve have a review process is as they say to make sure that prices are not set in error and also to help out.

Bolding the section that you favor doesn't alter the the detail that says everything is reviewed by Steam. However, I will try the trick here:

Initial pricing as well as proposed pricing adjustments will be reviewed by Valve.

They review it all, which stops people from undermining their business.

@so_hai said:

People repeat this ad nausem. Where did you read that Steam does not set prices?

1 i never called you dummy. dont lie.

2 see? u basically acknowledge that ur wrong. ur original claim was that steam sets the price of other ppls work (which makes no sense btw) now evidence have been posted which u keep ignoring ( like the video evidence from a valve employee).

3 look up what the world review means. hint...it doest mean steam sets the price of the stuff on steam. it just means they look over ur decisions and thats it.

You're right, you didn't call me a dummy, it was worse: "dude gotta be dumb as a mofo..."

Why would they look over your decision if the publisher has final word on the price?

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#9 so_hai
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If a price drop implies failure, then an expensive launch price implies success.

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@Jacanuk said:
@so_hai said:

@sheephats: Hey moron - it's not about what anyone believes, it's about what the truth is.

The documentation says:

- Initial and proposed pricing is REVIEWED by Valve.

- Only certain publisher accounts have the NECESSARY permissions to make these adjustments.

- Valve GRANTS the permission to alter your price.

None of this implies that all publishers set their prices at any given time. All it means is that some can some of the time. It's not absolute like your trying to make out.

So besides the immature rant at the start.

You are reading the facts like someone is reading the bible. Nowhere does it say that only a certain partner can alter the prices,

"Partners on Steam are responsible for setting and managing pricing for their products. The Steamworks Developer site provides tools to configure pricing and discounts in all the currencies supported by Steam. Initial pricing as well as proposed pricing adjustments will be reviewed by Valve and are usually processed within one or two business days. We recommend pricing strategies based on our experience and we may suggest prices based on currency conversions and other factors. During processing we will attempt to check your prices for input errors, but we can't guarantee we will catch every one so please check your prices carefully before submitting."

And as it states "Only certain publisher accounts have the necessary permissions to enter or adjust pricing or configure discounts for your products on Steam" which means they only allow certain accounts access to this, meaning that in big companies where there are multiple accounts, they lock it down so only the person/s who actually should review and change the price can.

And why Valve have a review process is as they say to make sure that prices are not set in error and also to help out.

Bolding the section that you favor doesn't alter the the detail that says everything is reviewed by Steam. However, I will try the trick here:

Initial pricing as well as proposed pricing adjustments will be reviewed by Valve.

They review it all, which stops people from undermining their business.