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#1 soulreaper-4
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[QUOTE="soulreaper-4"][QUOTE="Sepewrath"]I wouldn't exactly call this a confirmation of anything. Two things, one, saying that it cost more to make a 3DS doesn't mean much, because how much does it actually cost to a DS? It could cost $95 bucks to make a DS. Second, this is a company that has NEVER went in for the high price point, they always keep price down, their not going to release a handheld that rivals the price of HD consoles, 3D or not. Look at their history and all the competition they've had over the years that have been undone by high starting prices, do you think they would make the same mistake?BrunoBRS
They sure can priced the portable the same as the Wii or close to the HD consoles. Why not? If the system is powerful and packs a lot of new upgrades in it sure they can. They may even keep the DS alive for people with little money to spend on games and the 3DS for the others much like PS3 and PS2. NINTENDO HAS WENT IN WITH HIGH PRICES POINTS EARLIER. What about the $300 dollars N64 with $60 and $65 dollars games.

yeah, because that worked really well. sepe's point is that when nintendo goes for top notch tech and adds a salty price tag to it, they get screwed.

Actually they got screwed with the N64 not because the price was high, they were screwed because they lost a lot of proyects and 3rd party games plus they didin't went with CDs and instead they stayed with catriges that were low in space and were costly.
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[QUOTE="LoserMike"]

[QUOTE="soulreaper-4"][QUOTE="LoserMike"]

http://www.dmprof.com/index_en.htmlDigital Media Professionals website, the developer for the 3DS GPU. I knew Nintendo was using a DMP but didn't know which one. I thought Nintendo was using SMAPH-S, DMP's strongest GPU for mobile platforms.The PICA200 was made in 2006, so it's probably cheap by now. Like Darth said, the 3DS could be cheaper than we thought because Nintendo is using inexpensive parts.

Don't expect the 3DS to cost $130 or $150. It will definetely cost more than the current DS. What are the inexpensive part they are using? Do you work for them? From what i understand a portable system is not only composed of a GPU. What about the other parts?

The CPU (ARM, probably a Cortex A8 or lower), GPU (developed in 2006), touchscreen (DS and every smartphone has it (is it even multi-touch, if not, than it's even cheaper), accelerometer (Wii, PS3, cell phones have this), gyroscope (Wii Motion Plus, Move, and cell phones), microphone (every sound recording device), low-resolution cameras (0.3 Megapixels, new phones have 5+ Megapixels), and wifi (every mobile device) are all based on mature technology that can be manufactured cheaply. All of these materials are mass produced, which greatly reduces the costs of manufacturing.

The only expensive part is the 3D screen, Nintendo is going to be the first company to mass-produce 3D glasses-free screens.

Also, since most of this tech was already out, Nintendo did not need to spend as much on R&D.

All Nintendo consoles are sold at a profit, Nintendo does not lose money selling their consoles. One of Iwata Asks interviews on Nintendo.com was about the Wii Motion Plus. Nintendo could've released the Wii Motion Plus at the launch of the Wii but it would've been really expensive because gyroscope production technology had not mature by then yet. Nintendo waited until prices to go down to release the Wii Motion Plus.

BTW, I don't think it'll be cheaper than the DSi XL. I expect it to cost $200. But it's inexpensive in relative terms, look at the cost of most Cell phones with the same graphical abilities, they're at least $200, even more if you don't sign up for a new contract.

Man don't take it personally but you really think you are a Nintendo employee. Sure every smarth phone as poeple call them have some of those features but how much they cost?$200 to $300 plust a two years contratc playing almost $50 dollars a months in most cases. As i said everything new in the market features components made 4 or more years ago. The only thing i personally care is getting the system and have fun with it playing cool games, tech is just a tool and in the end what matters most is they way the games it have are made.
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http://www.dmprof.com/index_en.htmlDigital Media Professionals website, the developer for the 3DS GPU. I knew Nintendo was using a DMP but didn't know which one. I thought Nintendo was using SMAPH-S, DMP's strongest GPU for mobile platforms.The PICA200 was made in 2006, so it's probably cheap by now. Like Darth said, the 3DS could be cheaper than we thought because Nintendo is using inexpensive parts.

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Don't expect the 3DS to cost $130 or $150. It will definetely cost more than the current DS. What are the inexpensive part they are using? Do you work for them? From what i understand a portable system is not only composed of a GPU. What about the other parts?
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[QUOTE="soulreaper-4"][QUOTE="Sepewrath"]I wouldn't exactly call this a confirmation of anything. Two things, one, saying that it cost more to make a 3DS doesn't mean much, because how much does it actually cost to a DS? It could cost $95 bucks to make a DS. Second, this is a company that has NEVER went in for the high price point, they always keep price down, their not going to release a handheld that rivals the price of HD consoles, 3D or not. Look at their history and all the competition they've had over the years that have been undone by high starting prices, do you think they would make the same mistake?darth-pyschosis

They sure can priced the portable the same as the Wii or close to the HD consoles. Why not? If the system is powerful and packs a lot of new upgrades in it sure they can. They may even keep the DS alive for people with little money to spend on games and the 3DS for the others much like PS3 and PS2. NINTENDO HAS WENT IN WITH HIGH PRICES POINTS EARLIER. What about the $300 dollars N64 with $60 and $65 dollars games.

Uhh, the N64 launched at $250 i think. But you undid your own arguement

Coz the GameCube launched at $199 after that

Dude, haven't you got the news? The 3DS's GPU is super cheap. The system isn't powerful in comparison to other handheld devices, well it is but its using old parts that are cheap.

Its GPU was made in 2006 for example

the 3D doesn't nearly cost that much

Nintendo getting the GPU of the 3DS cheap doesn't means the system will be sold for cheap. GPU is only one part of the entire system and yeah according to kotaku it was develope 4 years ago but that's the way everything works. The 360, PS3, Wii, Ipad, DS, PSP annd every other device realised so far have internal components that were deveolpe 4 or more yearsbeforetheir unveil. Thants not new and that's why they use lower power comsumption in portables.

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I wouldn't exactly call this a confirmation of anything. Two things, one, saying that it cost more to make a 3DS doesn't mean much, because how much does it actually cost to a DS? It could cost $95 bucks to make a DS. Second, this is a company that has NEVER went in for the high price point, they always keep price down, their not going to release a handheld that rivals the price of HD consoles, 3D or not. Look at their history and all the competition they've had over the years that have been undone by high starting prices, do you think they would make the same mistake?Sepewrath
They sure can priced the portable the same as the Wii or close to the HD consoles. Why not? If the system is powerful and packs a lot of new upgrades in it sure they can. They may even keep the DS alive for people with little money to spend on games and the 3DS for the others much like PS3 and PS2. NINTENDO HAS WENT IN WITH HIGH PRICES POINTS EARLIER. What about the $300 dollars N64 with $60 and $65 dollars games.
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I think they have no big holiday selers. Resons for that? A holiday 3DS launch in the US.
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for starters, it has better hardware and a wide 3D screen, not to mention 3 cameras, all of them in better resolution. was anyone expecting anything different?BrunoBRS
I don't understand people sometimes. As you said it is a brand new devices. When something better is announced people complain becasue they want something even better but at the same time they want it cheap. I hope people don't mistake the 3DS for another revision like the DSi.
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[QUOTE="soulreaper-4"][QUOTE="Kenny789"]Hmm most likely priced at $200. Funny how it could be the same price as a Wii yet seems stronger :?darth-pyschosis

A portable system with the same or more power than a home console will always be priced higher unless you want a inferior device in capabilities. And don't forget that you can buy a console but to work it requires external cables, connection to an electric outlet (oviously) and a tv. For a portable you have a battery and everything is intergrated.

What makes you think its more powerful than the Wii?

Its running in 800x240, or 400x240 for each eye, so its technically not superior to 640x480 right? I'm not sure

Plus, don't get me wrong the 3DS graphics look good but not Wii good. the MGS3 tech demo had no gameplay but looked on par with PS2. Nothing i've seen looks as good as Super Mario Galaxy

Additionally the 3DS isn't as powerful as the GameCube. I know this. Why? Coz when nintendo announced the 3DS in March they said its "roughly" as powerful as the GameCube. "Roughly" is the keyword. If it was more powerful, they'd say so. Kinda like the DS is roughly as powerful as the N64, but its CPU speed is slower yet it has more VRAM than the N64. Advantages and Disadvantages.

I never said the 3DS was more powerful than a Wii. What i meant was that if portable system is powerful or onpar with a console it will always cost more. That's why i said portable not 3DS.
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I have a 3000 and haven't noticed them on any game. ForsakenWicked
They are somewhat visible playing some games not all of them. If i am right the problem is with very old games.
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[QUOTE="lamborghini1134"]

Gimmick? Not quite. The 3DS will be a great machine, with great 1st party Nintendo games and 3rd party support from Atlus, SquareEnix, Konami, Capcom, Namco Bandai,... Also, to back that up, the 3DS has access to the whole DS' library. Awesome.

I don't understand the 3D hate around here. Adding 3D enhances the gameplay experience, without any hassles (glasses...), so you're having a better experience without any downside but the increased price.





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I wouldn't be so sure as to say a unrealised system is great without playing or having it. As for the 1rst and 3rd party support i wouldn't trust Nintendo. Before the launch of the DS and GameCube they demostrated in both E3s that they were going to have a bunch of 3rd party support, same with the Wii and look at game library of them right now.

1. DS = Great for Nintendo games but almost all 3rd party games ar crap and for kids, more like mini programs with a bunch of imagine games.

2. Wii = Great for Nintendo games and almost all of the rest is a bunch of shovelware. Have sold like cakes because they were promising revolutionary motion controls and everyone went to get one and a bunch of retirment homes and people are getting it tiking it is good for excersive with Wii Fit and those shovelware excersice programs games.