[QUOTE="Jacobistheman"]Well, they have found an ark in Turkey, but the Turkish government won't let poeple go there, they have proved that the human population got down to just a few people at one point (Noah and his family). I said that there is a ton that is supported by archeology http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33168 http://www.trustbible.com/ark.htm http://www.pb.org/pbdocs/bibleac.html Also things like that the earth is round were in the old testament of the bible way before other people discovered it was. There is stuff in the bible that is unproven, but none that is disproven.foxhound_fox
If it were such a big a find as Noah's ark, you can bet your ass the entire Judeo-Christian population on the planet would be lobbying Turkey to allow it to be studied.
1. I want a source where this "proof" of Noah's ark exists.
2. I want a source where this "proof" of Noah's family were the only ones left on the Earth for a period of time.
I've debunked this link before.
Chariots can be transported by boat. Boats can sink. Chariots sink with boats. This is not evidence of the Red Sea being parted.
"trustbible.com", "large stones with holes", the author's personal interpretations of the Bible passages and no actual evidence of Noah's Ark...
*facepalm*
"Examples of Scientific Accuracy in the Bible"
*facepalm*
You know, just because I feel nice right now, I'll actually read through as much of the article as I can and see if it is actually "scientific accuracy."
Boy was this a waste of time...
"The Genesis account of creation asserts that all humans descended from the same parents, Adam and Eve. There is now considerable debate in the scientific community over recent genetic studies which indicate that all men have a common father and all women have a common mother."
Fail. What scientific community is this? The Creation Institute?
"Genesis 10:25 speaks of one Peleg whose name means division. The text then explains that he was so named because in his days the earth was divided. It is now commonly believed that all continents of the earth were once combined into a single continent called Pangaea. This belief is based upon the fact that present continents appear somewhat as pieces out of a puzzle. There are also other evidences, including several geological similarities on matching continental edges."
Fail x2. Firstly, the argument is entirely based off of a translation of an ancient word. Which could mean anything. Secondly, connecting a single word from the Bible to an actual scientific discovery is just fishing for proof of an already established claim... which isn't the scientific method.
"The Bible asserts that the stars are innumerable (Gen 15:5, Gen 17:7, Heb 11:12). This does not necessarily mean that we are incapable of mathematically expressing their number. It means that no human has the ability to count them individually so as to achieve their sum. It is claimed that there are 100 billion stars in our galaxy alone. If stars were counted around the clock at one star per second, then it would take over 3000 years just to count these. Add to this the fact that there are as many as 100 billion galaxies. However, there were many scholars prior to Galileo who believed that the stars could be counted, and several attempts were made to do so. Many of these counts arrived at around 1000 stars."
Indeed, all the stars can be counted in the night sky and when it is done with the naked eye, there are a finite number of them. Not only is this wrong but it goes onto again connect an actual scientific discovery with an interpretation of wording.
"There is reasonable evidence that the scriptures speak of dinosaurs. As should be expected, this evidence comes from Genesis, the book of origins, and from the book of Job, generally believed to be the oldest book in the Bible. "
If this is proof, the evidence should not be "reasonable."
"The fact that the earth is of spherical shape is generally considered to be recent knowledge. However, Isaiah 40:22 spoke of the circle of the earth approximately 750 years before Christ."
The Earth is not a sphere, it is an oblate spheroid. And a circle is not a sphere. Fail.
"In possibly the oldest book of the Bible, Job asserted that God hung the earth on nothing (Job 26:7). The first scientist having this understanding would appear to be Copernicus around 1500."
Lolwut? What does this even mean? Copernicus found that the Earth was not the centre of the universe, something the Church supported pretty much ever since its formation. The Greeks knew the Earth was a sphere before Christ was born (Eratosthenes) and the Indians knew it was a sphere and orbited around the Sun WELL before that (Jyotisha).
The rotation of the earth was likely revealed in Job 38:12, where God asks of Job: Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place; that it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.
Where is the word "rotation"?
Paul asserted in Acts 17:26 that God hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth. Until recent times, it was believed there was significant differences in the blood of various human races. We now know that all races of men are of common blood.
No, there are eight different blood types common in the human race.
Psalms 8:4-8 likely reveal the existence of systematic ocean currents:
What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet: All sheep and oxen, yea, and the beasts of the field; The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas.
Ooh... anyone who has spent anytime on the ocean knows there are currents...
The earliest literature indicating an understanding of hydrological cycle was apparently around the third or fourth century BC. However, the essential details of this cycle were all revealed in the Bible well before this time. This may be seen from the following texts:
The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits. All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again. - Eccl 1:6,7
For he maketh small the drops of water: they pour down rain according to the vapour thereof: which the clouds do drop and distil upon man abundantly. - Job 36:27,28
It is he that buildeth his stories in the heaven, and hath founded his troop in the earth; he that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name. - Amos 9:6
Anyone who spends any amount of time observing nature can observe these things happening in front of them.
It was not until this century that medical science had a full understanding of the fact that most diseases are caused by infection of microscopic organisms. Accordingly, the medical values of sterilization, sanitation, and quarantines were virtually unappreciated. Yet the Bible is so replete with such wisdom that time and space are not sufficient to cover them in paper such as this. Here are some examples:
This is the law, when a man dieth in a tent: all that come into the tent, and all that is in the tent, shall be unclean seven days. And every open vessel, which hath no covering bound upon it, is unclean. And whosoever toucheth one that is slain with a sword in the open fields, or a dead body, or a bone of a man, or a grave, shall be unclean seven days. - Num 19:14-16
Whatsoever shall touch the flesh thereof shall be holy: and when there is sprinkled of the blood thereof upon any garment, thou shalt wash that whereon it was sprinkled in the holy place. But the earthen vessel wherein it is sodden shall be broken: and if it be sodden in a brasen pot, it shall be both scoured, and rinsed in water. - Lev 6:27,28
And the leper in whom the plague is, his clothes shall be rent, and his head bare, and he shall put a covering upon his upper lip, and shall cry, Unclean, unclean. All the days wherein the plague shall be in him he shall be defiled; he is unclean: he shall dwell alone; without the camp shall his habitation be. - Lev 13:45,46
The fail is strong with this one. Someone who is killed is not "dirty for seven days," they are dirty for a lot longer...
So washing oneself is a divine teaching? Well hallelujah, praise the lord! Who ever thought a human being could have come up with THAT one!?
Again, divine teaching? Anyone who spends any bit of time around a leper or someone with plague knows that they will become infected as well. Again, this is not divine inspiration.
So... got anything that actually proves something?
wow with all of this plus your post count... i bet you're the kid who got teased for having no life or something, huh? lol no offense, just asking. well im not gonna try to argue, but i do believe god exists, and i believe about all the happenings of the bible, though i do not completely see eye to eye with jesus's teachings. i agree more with the "eye for an eye" part in leviticus. as much as i dislike atheists who fight so much for fighting for their beliefs, i'd like to tell you religious nuts something: if you're gonna preach about god, tell it to the hypocrites. i'm sure you know many people who are "christian" but live a lifestile far from what god wants them too. how about preaching to them, so as to not waste your time, hmm? like i tell the ones i know: "truly i tell thou; the atheists and the non-believers will make it to heaven before thou" (yeah its sort of a play on the words of jesus.) but back to the topic: if nothing else, revelation is fun to read. and then scare the hell out of religious people saying "i think i heard a trumpet from the sky!" or "hey is that a cloud or a giant bowl?!"
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