I am understanding your reasoning here. You're talking mostly about associations of brands more than anything else, in which case, yes, I think I will agree with you (although I will still contest your argument for Tales, and say that Final Fantasy's PlayStation association is slowly diluting), and yes, in that case, the average person, when they think Metal Gear Solid, they think PlayStation.

Well yeah, that was in my first post. If we wanted to do a simple count of entries there would be no need for questions and opinions. Im talking about perception of those franchises.

I get it. I get what you are saying, and I agree with you, what you are saying is actually very sensible after all.

I think my issue (and I think the issue most other people are having in this thread, although I obviously cannot speak for them) is that association does not make it a PlayStation franchise. Monster Hunter is not a Nintendo franchise. Dragon Quest is not a Nintendo franchise. Call of Duty is not an Xbox franchise. Destiny is not a PlayStation franchise. No matter how powerful associations may be, these are all third party owned and controlled franchises, available across multiple platforms.

And thats okay in my book. I will not force anyone to see them as such. Destiny and Call of Duty for me is a simple multiplat. I gave examples for the franchises I see as PS franchises without ouright owning the IP.

The issue is not that MGS has a PlayStation association- it does, and you will not find me contesting that (I didn't do it in my previous post either)- the issue is with the TC saying that it is a PlayStation franchise. It isn't. Maybe it was bad wording on his part, or maybe he actually views it as a PlayStation franchise, I don't know, but the fact of the matter is, even though its PlayStation association is very powerful, it is not a PlayStation franchise.

And there is were you are wrong. He told his friend his opinion but he asked if YOU consider MGS as a PS franchise like him, which I agreed with. I mean we didnt even have a announcemt for MGSV on PC for how long? We dont even know if the game will be released in the same timeframe.

Edit: Just me seeing MGS as a PS franchise would not hinder me to play them on other systems. I mean I will buy it on PS4, because it will be my best option but like I said I would have no problem to play them on other systems.

Ok. I don't see your argument.

Final Fantasy 1, 2 and 3. = NES

Final Fantasy 4, 5 and 6 = SNES

Final Fantasy 7, 8 and 9 = Playstation

Final Fantasy 10 and 12 = PS2

Final Fantasy 11 = multiplat

Final Fantasy 13 and its subtitles = multiplat

Final Fantasy 14 = multiplat

Then you have dozens of spin offs and re-releases that are all over the place platform-wise.

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I mean, what would you say about FF? Is it a NintenSony franchise that occasionally graces PC and Xbox?

One good look at Foxhounds above post brings us to a similar conclusion.

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For a time, these franchises had strong ties with Sony... as with other platform holders at other times. If you want to argue temporary brand association then be my guest. Calling these straight up Sony franchises? Nope.

Yeah... if you take brand loyalty way too far, which is the only reason anybody would say Metal Gear/FF/Tales/Persona as a "PlayStation" franchise. I should be considering James Bond games a "Nintendo franchise" because of Goldeneye, by that logic, nevermind playing the third person action games (Everything or Nothing and From Russia With Love) on PlayStation consoles, while I play the FPS games on Nintendo systems (Goldeneye 64/Wii, Nightfire*)

*- I also played this on PC before I picked up the GC version

So that's still a no then. I mean if the "majority" agrees, it should be relatively easy to prove

Doesn't matter. The TC is claiming that MG is a "PlayStation franchise".

It started on the MSX2/NES and is currently on 5 different platforms. It was never a PlayStation franchise.

So you can't provide any sources to prove that the majority of the gaming community agrees with what you said?

Someone would have to be rather short-sighted and quite ignorant to think it was ever a "PlayStation franchise"

Multiplat:

• Metal Gear - MSX2, Famicom, NES, Mobile, NGC (JPN), PS2
• Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake - MSX2, Mobile, PS2
• Metal Gear Solid - PS, PC, GBC
• Metal Gear Solid 2 - PS2, PS3, Xbox, Xbox 360, PC, PSV
• Metal Gear Solid 3 - PS2, PS3, Xbox 360, 3DS, PSV
• Metal Gear Solid 5: Ground Zeroes - Xbox 360, Xbox One, PS3, PS4, PC
• Metal Gear Solid Peace Walker - PSP, PS3, Xbox 360
• Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance - PS3, Xbox 360, PC
• Metal Gear Ac!d - PSP
• Metal Gear Ac!d 2 - PSP

Exclusive:

• Metal Gear Solid 4 - PS3
• Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes - NGC
• Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops - PSP

Also, another point against your fanboyism: the PS4 controller is supported on PC.

sources please?

If your gaming days started with the PS1 and ended with the PS2, sure.

Aside from MGS4, you can play every game in the franchise without a Sony console.

Yes, I do get brand association and yes, Playstation + MGS does have history. Still wouldn't call it a Playstation franchise by any stretch of the imagination.