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For as long as there has been the Christian religion, there have been arguments over whether events described therein are intended to be literal historical accounts or whether they are intended to be simply parts of a story with fundamental messages to relate to its audience, but which is not intended to actually talk about things that actually happened. The ancient school of Alexandria taught an allegorical interpretation, whereas the ancient school of Antioch taught a literal interpretation.
I tend to fall down closer to the allegorical side than the literal side. I feel that the stories in the Bible may have been loosely based on events that took place in history, but their ultimate purpose is not to provide a factual historical account. Whenever Jesus spoke to his followers, he was instructing his listeners, not teaching them history. The ultimate thing that one is to learn from the Bible is the way in which one ought to conduct oneself in life, not historical facts.
[QUOTE="Jemdude"]
To help the people believe back then. They didn't have written historical accounts like we do today.
GabuEx
Wait, but you just said that the miracles wouldn't help people to believe...
If I were to adopt a religion such that it would help guide my behaviour and personal beliefs in life it would not fit to constrain myself to the model established by any popular religion, simply because each person is different and there are aspects of each religion that may not necessarily suit. If I were to choose the spiritual path I would create my own religion (or perhaps it would not be a religion since it's just 1 person), feeling free to alter it as I wish. A spiritual path is equal to any other spiritual path; no need for constraints in that case.I see. I was wondering whether the fact that people interpreted the Bible differently over time caused the Word of God to be different for different time periods. This would suggest an evolution of the religion, where it is changed such that only the parts that make sense in a contemporary or in this case modern context are left behind, and any parts that do not make this kind of sense have found new uses as metaphors that do make sense in the contemporary context. This would conflict somewhat with the view that Christianity and the Word of God is constant and unchanging.I think what has changed over time is not so much an arising tendency to discard texts as allegorical but a tendency to scrutinise more and more.[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]An allegorical text can be judged as such based on the styIe, the plausibility of what it describes, the traditions of religions which shows us a pattern of using allegory to convey messages etc.
To me most important is the styIe, which encompasses the expressive means an author uses, his/her "styIe" etc.
As for if the peopleof the time thought it was literal. I think to them literal and metaphorical had no distinction. Allegory was more frequent in the ancient times, because it is used when humans try to explain things they cannot otherwise and back then there were more things unknown to us than today.
In short I would say that to them, allegory was their literal truth. Judging by the social conditions back then, the skeptics were too few. Today the average person is many times more skeptical than the average person then. Most people lived simple lives and had no interest to discern allegory from literal narration. Especially in issues where "naturally" allegory was used. I dont think the use of allegory is always conscious and thats why I dont believe a distinction between literal and allegorical is existant to all people. And to my perception most people back then had no such distinction formed in their heads.
So the answer to this no matter what it is, wont be enlightening imo.
And even if it was I disagree that it has any role to play in the issue.
Teenaged
But scrutinising doesnt lead to one way.
A person that will start scrutinising the Bible will then find themselves in the dichotomy allegory/literal narration, because in the process of scrutinising the purpose is justification and rationalisation, and defining the text in this linguistic dualistic principle you achieve a certain set of rules by witch you treat your text, and thats important; to have a solid "philosophy" as the basis of your study. And then they choose. I cant say or even guess what makes people choose though.
Of course others deny that there is such a dichotomy (or better put they dont see why the whole book is either allegorical or literal) so they are in the middle one could say.
BTW I am not saying the last group of people are in the wrong. They are most probably right imo.
Yes, this does make sense, considering that it was not very long ago that people could freely scrutinize religion (such as Darwin, who likely feared the prosecution). But I think that the trend of increasing amounts of text becoming viewed as allegorical did occur and arose as scientific advancements were able to explain more about the unknown. For example, before absolute dating techniques came along there could have easily been people who had taken literally that the age of the Earth was only a few thousand years. After the scientific advancements came along, that one section would have converted from being literal to allegorical.I see that there are many ways to read the Bible but perhaps the advancement of science changed the guidelines by which people use to judge a section as either allegorical or literal.
How are we supposed to know whether to take it literally or not? I mean, wasn't it taken literally historically?An allegorical text can be judged as such based on the styIe, the plausibility of what it describes, the traditions of religions which shows us a pattern of using allegory to convey messages etc.[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Allegory is a continuous metaphor.
When an author/poet etc uses allegory he says one thing but does not mean it literally. In stead he/she wishes to convey an underlying message through his/her words.
Teenaged
To me most important is the styIe, which encompasses the expressive means an author uses, his/her "styIe" etc.
As for if the peopleof the time thought it was literal. I think to them literal and metaphorical had no distinction. Allegory was more frequent in the ancient times, because it is used when humans try to explain things they cannot otherwise and back then there were more things unknown to us than today.
In short I would say that to them, allegory was their literal truth. Judging by the social conditions back then, the skeptics were too few. Today the average person is many times more skeptical than the average person then. Most people lived simple lives and had no interest to discern allegory from literal narration. Especially in issues where "naturally" allegory was used. I dont think the use of allegory is always conscious and thats why I dont believe a distinction between literal and allegorical is existant to all people. And to my perception most people back then had no such distinction formed in their heads.
So the answer to this no matter what it is, wont be enlightening imo.
And even if it was I disagree that it has any role to play in the issue.
I see. I was wondering whether the fact that people interpreted the Bible differently over time caused the Word of God to be different for different time periods. This would suggest an evolution of the religion, where it is changed such that only the parts that make sense in a contemporary or in this case modern context are left behind, and any parts that do not make this kind of sense have found new uses as metaphors that do make sense in the contemporary context. This would conflict somewhat with the view that Christianity and the Word of God is constant and unchanging.[QUOTE="hyrueprince11"]
[QUOTE="CaptainSchwamm"]
other dimensions have pretty much been proofed to exist, since electrons disappear and no one knows where they go and probably in the other dimension people also wonder where do electrons go when they are in our dimension, the only thing is thatI don't think it will actually openining a portal to another dimension
[QUOTE="sonicare"]
I thought it was broken. Should have had it made by the Japanese and not youstupid europeans and americans. :P
reveiwer
it got broke a year ago , I'm pretty sure it was a very stupid problem but it was fixed
also some people say the LHC could make a black hole and destroy the earth but I'm pretty sure it's something almost impossible
black holes happen when stars explode so why did they think this would make a black hole.
A black hole does not require large mass, only large density. If it can make something so dense such that it is contained in its own Schwarzschild Radius, it's a bloody black hole.Are you serious? Do you live in Etobicoke?[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="klusps"]
A spartan warrior.
klusps
I'm not sure where that place in but I live in Alexandria, Virginia.
I see. Etobicoke is in Ontario (Canada). It seems like many schools have similar mascots, so we should no longer assume that every school has a different mascot.[QUOTE="Ikouze"]
[QUOTE="Ed_Cetera"]Ever heard of allegory?Teenaged
Nope. Explain please.
Allegory is a continuous metaphor.When an author/poet etc uses allegory he says one thing but does not mean it literally. In stead he/she wishes to convey an underlying message through his/her words.
How are we supposed to know whether to take it literally or not? I mean, wasn't it taken literally historically?
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