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#1 vguy555
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Your opinion is uninformed. +/- is not a stat for shooting efficiency (there is efg% for that), it's a stat for overall contribution to the team, and although it is very raw, it is a very good indicator of that. If I wanted a more accurate indicator for what Iggy brings to the team, adjusted +/- would work. Either way, Iggy has been shown throughout his career to be at his best when he limits his shooting. If you want a player to 'demand the ball' you want them to be a capable scorer from either inside/midrange or midrange/outside, either of which Iggy is very effective at. No_Hablo_Ingles
Never said it was for shooting efficiency.  You listed his shooting percentages along with his +/- as if the two are supposed to closely correlate, which it doesn't.  Trying to make 7-11 shooting sound like a bad thing is preposterous, if anything it's his 7 turnovers that really hurt the Nuggets.  We all know the Nuggets game is points in the paint, and Iguodala is capable of finishing at the rim or kicking it out after a drive, he should not be hovering around the 3 point line for most possessions.       

 Which he is a part of. Him being on the court limits spacing. The Warriors are willing to give him semi-open 3's, as they know over the long run this results in fewer points per possession. 'No_Hablo_Ingles
So we agree that +/- is really a team based stat.  Maybe three guys on the Nuggets roster are good enough jump shooters to effectively space the floor, and the Nuggets are going to be much less effective in a a half court set with the defense set.  Iggy's threes are often bailouts from broken plays, late shot clock, and inability to get to the rim.  

Ty Lawson has a minus every game in the series, does that mean he should be taking less shots?' He should be taking less shots from outside, that's for sure, although I don't know if that's possible without reviewing how/if the Warriors are limiting his driving ability. Ty Lawson has always been a decent outside shooter but he has shown to be Westbrook-esque inside the paint. So far this series his decent jumper hasn't really fallen (he's 14/38 outside the paint). So I can't say that he should take less shots, but I can say if when he shoots he should do so from areas of the court where he is more effective (again, may not be possible based off Golden States defense).No_Hablo_Ingles
So based on all these assumptions, I guess in the end the Nuggets should be doing the exact same thing on the offensive end and hope their shots fall.  Telling me he should shoot from areas where he is more effective is basically saying nothing at all.  Once again, I believe Iguodala should demand the ball more and have plays actually run through him, he is a capable and willing passer, driving and kicking would break down the Warriors defense.  Besides Lawson who occasionally dumps the ball off to a big, the rest of the Nuggets are ballstoppers in the paint.  Which basically comes down to better ball movement.  I'm not even gonna bother with Gay if it's not even "debateable."   

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efficiency means a lot when you are saying he needs to 'demand the ball.' Game 1- 2-4 (+11) Game 2- 6-11 (-10) Game 3- 6-15 (+5) Game 4- 7-11 (-22) Thus far, the only game the Nuggets have won was the one game Iggy limited his attempts (game 1 he went 2-4, 8 points, +/- 8). Iggy is a very versatile player, but like Gay, he isn't a great scorer (nor does he need to be). I categorize him with Gay and Granger because they are all players who need to limit their shot selection to help their team overall. First option/Second option/third option is irrelevant.No_Hablo_Ingles
+/- is a pretty irrelevant stat in my opinion, and a poor indicator of shooting efficiency.  Iguodala being on the court most of the game, it is going to be skewed depending on how the Nuggets are playing.  Ty Lawson has a minus every game in the series, does that mean he should be taking less shots?  Maybe, but I don't know who else is going to do it for them.  As for Gay not being a great scorer, he is a scorer, the "great" part is debateable, but his whole value as a player is dependent on his scoring.    

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Andre Iguodala definitely needs to be more assertive and demand the ball, put up some more shots.  I understand he had a lot of turnovers yesterday, but that's a bit uncharacteristic of him. No_Hablo_Ingles

No... he doesn't need to put up more attempts. Him, Rudy Gay, Josh Smith, Danny Granger, etc. need to limit their shooting to increase efficiency

Not completely sure I understand what you're saying, but efficiency doesn't mean a thing when the guys around you aren't scoring.  I'm confused as to how you can categorize him with Gay and Granger when those two are/have been the number one scoring options on their teams.   

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Andre Iguodala definitely needs to be more assertive and demand the ball, put up some more shots.  I understand he had a lot of turnovers yesterday, but that's a bit uncharacteristic of him.  The Nuggets also need better ball movement, besides Iguodala, Lawson, and maybe Miller, nobody else is really looking to pass.  I feel like they should be kicking the ball out more often instead of having a single drive to the rim.  

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Nash is no longer starter material, he still could be a solid backup though.  

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Great comeback for the Knicks in the second half, but Melo was just struggling too much at the end.  Couldn't believe he missed those two free throws.    

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Goodbye Rockets, gonna get swept.  

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1. Pokemon Black

2. GTA: Chinatown Wars

3. New Super Mario Bros. 

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Definitely will get one before Pokemon X and Y come out.

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Thunder in 5
Clippers in 7
Spurs in 6
Nuggets in 6

Heat in 5
Bulls in 7
Knicks in 6
Pacers in 6