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#1 wiialltheway
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First of all, regarding to the Famitsu's most wanted list, the games on the list very often have little to do with sales. Just because a game is on the list, or even a top 10 or top 5 for that matter, doesn't guarantee thatit will sell great. Blue Dragon for example, didn't sell well in Japan, but it was on the most wanted list for quite some time before it dropped out. Wii Sports, the best selling Wii game and one of the best selling game this year in Japan, was it dominating the most wanted list? I don't think so. There are plenty of examples to show that just because a game ison the most wanted list, doesn't mean it's going to outsell another game that ranks lower on the list.

Then we look at HSG5, yes, it pushed PS3's hardware sales for the week, but from what I can tell, it's doing what Gundam PS3 did. What really separates the Wii from the PS3 is that up to this point, Sony haven't been able to release at least one significant title each month or two, and nothing on the PS3 can hang in there on to the chart for months, like Wii Sports or Wii Play and several other Wii games are doing. Generally speaking, Nintendo was able to release at least one significant title each month, sometimes even more than one, for example, DQS and Mario Party 8 all in the same month. Gundam wasreleased like 2 or 3 months ago, then HSG5 is finally here, doesn't look like PS3 will get enough popular games on a consistent basis to compete with the Wii in Japan this year.

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#2 wiialltheway
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I don't believe the hardware numbers. Wii sold over 85kthe week before, with a game like Mario Party 8 came out, some how the hardware sales dropped by so much?

If HSG5 only sold 180k, I don't think PS3's hardware sales reached 40k, more like around 30k.

I am willing to bet the hardware numbers in the first post will be proven wrong tomorrow by media create.

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#3 wiialltheway
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http://vgchartz.com/ayearly.php

If they are any accurate, you are looking at around 14 million XBox 360 games sold so far this year, in the US. Close to 12 million Wii games sold, close to 4.5 million PS3 games sold this year in the US. So no, I don't think more XBox 360 games were sold than the other two consoles combined, UNLESS youare only talking about third party titles. I don't see the point of only taking third party titles into account, you need to look at everything to get the big picture, besides, first party titles generate more profit. Companies tend to only talk about numbers that make themselves look better, in this case, MS will talk about third party sales in the US, while Nintendo can talk about first party titles only and claim so much ownage, whydon't welook at all the sales combined?

http://vgchartz.com/japyearly.php

If you look at Japan, so far around 5.5 million Wii games sold this year, only around 0.55 million XBox 360 games sold. I have no idea what are the numbers for Europe, but Wii should be doing better than XBox 360.

Up to this date, roughly around 41.5 million XBox 360 games sold in US and Japan, in 20 months or so. Around 24 million Wii games sold in US and Japan, in about 8 months. No comment on Europe since I can't find actual numbers, but from whatever news and reports I read, Nintendo is only doing better, not worse than MS, some reports actually said XBox 360 sales is lackluster in Europe.

So looking at the bigger picture, Nintendo Wii is doing better intotal hardware and software sales this year, around thw world, but you can say n the US, XBox 360 has a very highgame attach ratio, if that helps your argument.

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#4 wiialltheway
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[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]

Are you literate? When a review comes out, do you even bother reading even a couple of sentences?!?!

NobuoMusicMaker

I suppose you aren't because you can't read my post.

Online suppose to be GC games with online? No thanks. This is clearly not even close to the promised online Nintendo touted.

What exactly did Nintendo promise about online? Nintendo promised us that all the Wii games with online will automatically score at least 9on GS?

If I judge everything based on what a company touted something to be, then PS3 is such a disappointment it's not even funny.

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#5 wiialltheway
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625,000 is an excellent number in a country with about 20,000,000 people. Thats nearly 1 in every 20 households.ChiefFreeman

Are you kidding me ???

Ok, yeah, great, some people made up some numbers for how many PS3's have sold in Australia, you are happy to believe it?

http://www.vgchartz.com/eweekly.php

VGcharts may not be totally accurate, but they shouldn't be 1000% off either. See what's there? Nintendo DS only sold around 625,000, but for some strange reasons, PS3 have already sold 625,000.

XBox 360 plus Nintendo Wii combined only sold more or less around 300,000 so far during their lifetime in Australia.

Wow, some people believe PS3 already sold something like 625k in Australia? Sure, why not?

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#6 wiialltheway
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[QUOTE="keano3333"][QUOTE="AcidTWister"]

Here's the original thread since so many people are making clone threads with less reliable links.

For those of you who don't find it believable, think about the numbers for a minute:

1 million sold in Australia

1 million sold in Japan

1 million sold in Europe

They'd only need 3 million sold in North America, and they sold their millionth back in January. Long before a pirce cut was even thought of.

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are you serious?1million in australia?i don't think they've sold that in japan.

Japan- 1,010,492

US- 1,498,500

Europe- 1,200,000

Australia- about 625,000

Australia about 625,000? That means it probably sold 3 times more than XBox 360 and Wii have sold? C'mon, seriously...........

Europe 1.2 million?

I hope you are not trying to make them add up to 4.5 million.

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#7 wiialltheway
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These are better because they are not my humble cow opinon, these are infact the words of a senior developer At insomniac, Brian hastings, a free company, not bound by Sony in anyway. ownage has arrived people.

Heres a link, couldn't find the exact version below, but it does prove it. http://blog.wired.com/games/2007/03/insomniac_ceo_p.html

This is taken out OPM UK, which took it from brians hastings web blog, so these are his personal words.


7. The Wii Fad Will Fade
OK, this one's going to be controversial, but I have to say it. I like Nintendo a lot. I think Nintendo has innovated far more than any other company in the industry. And I think the Wii is really, really fun. But... let me relate to you a story that may sound familiar:

Your friend Reggie invites you over for a Wii Party. It's awesome. You and your friends partake in whatever beverages are legally appropriate for your age group. The next day everyone who went to the party rushes out and buys a Wii.

A week later Reggie hosts another Wii Party. This time only half the group comes. It's still fun, but there isn't quite as much shoving to get at the Wiimote.

The next week Reggie hosts another Wii Party. You tell him you have bird flu.

Obviously I'm exaggerating, but the Wii does have many characteristics of popular mainstream fads. It's instantaneously accessible, it's unlike anything you've tried before, and it's great fun to share with friends. In short, it's everything Nintendo said it would be and it has captured the world's imagination. The only downside is that the world is easily distracted. Tickle Me Elmo captured the world's attention at one point, as did Furbies. They were both instantly accessible, were unlike anything people had seen before, and were fun to share with friends. But a year later, after everyone had seen them and tried them out, their popularity waned.

The Wii is currently riding on a massive wave of mainstream attention and has been purchased by lots of people who don't normally play games. But how many of those people who are hooked on Wii Sports will also buy Wii Need For Speed? Mainstream fads usually run their course within a year. As the honeymoon period fades, the Wii will be going up against more and more graphically impressive games on the PS3 and Xbox 360. More people will be buying HD televisions and looking for the most immersive and stunning experiences available. For these reasons, I think the Wii will be more successful than the GameCube or N64 but in the long run will still be outsold by the PS3.

Rhys555

So when will PS3 start outselling the Fad in the US? Must be this Christmas, because I so very agree that a Fad usually last about a year, so that mean PS3 has a great chance of outselling the Wii this holiday season.

So when will PS3 outsell the Fad in Europe or Japan? Maybe 2008? Maybe 2009? Maybe 2010?

What will PS3 win? It will go down as the "better piece of technical hardware then the other 2"? It will win in a sense that it will revolutionize the console industry and change the way people look at console gaming? It will win by selling more hardware and software? I don't know, maybe someone can help me out here.

I personally disagree with Brian Hastings' comments and opionion on certain things, and I don't see PS3 winning. Pushing Blu-Ray is the heart and soul of Sony's vision with PS3, if Blu-Ray succeeds, Sony will make serious money, doesn't matter how poorly the PS3 will sell, if Blu-Ray fails or being irrelevent to the format related industry until mid 2009 or later, PS3 will be a big step down compared to PS2.

Some gamers will win if they truly enjoy the direction where Sony is going, but it's another aspect of things.

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Some of the obvious reasons are price point, innovative controller, and great marketing.

One of the not so obviousreason is that XBox 360 and PS3 are less attractive to people beyond certain targeting groups.

Then we look at perhaps the most important aspect, the games, and the way they are selling.

http://vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=&console=PS2&publisher=&sort=Total

We all know how successful PS2 was and it's still doing very well. Right now, let us take a look at PS2 games that sold a million copies or more. Around 191 games are million sellers, if VGcharts is any accurate. Taking a good look at them, I think over 60% of the games on the list are some what casual, if not totally casual, by system wars standard. Many of these games lack depth and quality, again going by system wars standard, yet they sold very well. Many of these million sellers did well in all 3 major regions, which are US, Europe, and Japan.

http://vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=&console=X360&publisher=&sort=Total

Now we take a look at XBox 360's million sellers. Around 21 titles sold million, not bad at all, but there seems to be a problem from a buniess point of view. Clearly, non of these better selling XBox 360 games sold well at all in Japan, but what's also surprising is that non of these 21 titles sold more under OTHERS (which means Europe, Australia, etc) than under AMERICA. In other words, all of these games sold better in the US than in the rest of the world including Japan. As a matter of fact, most of the sales were generated in the US, it doesn't seem like there's a good balance when comparing sales in the US against the rest of the world, so is it true that just about every single one of these top selling games on the XBox 360 are heavily marketed towards gamers in the US? Is is true that the XBox 360 is a system with games specifically designed for gamers in the US and not so much for gamers who live outside of the US?

I think many of these million sellers also share many similarities in them. Let's look at the top 5 best selling games, they are 1. Gears, 2. COD2, 3. Tom Clancy Advanced Warfighter, 4. Oblivion, and 5. Tom Clancy Rainbow Six. Looking at the bottom 5 games, they are17. Need for Speed Carbon, 18. Tom Clancy Advanced Warfighter2, 19. Tom Clancy Double Agent, 20. PGR3, and 21. Forza 2. Or you can simply take a look at all 21 games, do you think most of these games are very similar in some ways? You decide.

To me, it loooks like XBox 360's core group who bought these games are young adults and teens (males), particularly people in the US, who are more interested in Shooters, Sports, Racers and PC type of games(generally speaking).

All these sounds great if you are one who love Shooters, Racers, etc, I can definitely understand that XBox 360 offers you the best and mostquality titles. But imagine if you are one of the typical gamer in Japan, or say, in France, XBox 360 games great to you? Maybe not nearly as much as some other gamers in the US.

http://vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=&console=PS3&publisher=&sort=Total

Ok, here comes the PS3's only million seller, RESISTANCE. Doing pretty well in the US and OTHERS, not that good in Japan and understandably so. PS2 is not exactly known as a shooter's console, it's known for have many different varieties in games, but things are feeling different with the PS3 atm.

Let's look at some other games that didn't reach a million but pretty well known, such as VF5, Motorstorm, NGS, Madden, etc. So far, not one PS3 game is a major success in all 3 major regions, which is also what happened with MS. However, there is a PS3 Gundam game specifically for the Japnese market, which sold decent, also an Everybody's Golf game being released in Japan, which is a popular franchise over there. Eventhough Sony did worse than expected in Japan so far, Japan is still a country where Sony can claim victory over MS with.

Then we look at some of the more hyped upcoming PS3 titles, such as Lair, Heavenly Sword, etc. Is it just me or most of the more hyped upcoming PS3 games are specifically for gamers in the US, then for gamers in Europe, and very little appeal to Japanese gamers? I can't help but to feel that PS3 is going down the same road as XBox 360, a game like FFXIII isn't in sight in the near future, and that hurts.

http://vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=&console=Wii&publisher=&sort=Total

Finally, we look at the 8 games that sold over a million for the Wii. Just by looking at the first game, we can say that Wii already acheived something that the other 2 consoles haven't at this point, and that is Wii already has a game that acheived great success around the world (Wii Sports). You can even put Wii Play into consideration, but that's mostly due to smart business move with wiimote pakced in.

Looking at the list of Wii games, it looks like there's a good balance on how the games have sold in different market. Wario Ware for example, didn't sell particularly great in any of the 3 major regions, but the game sold well in all 3 regions. Not only Nintendo did a better job coming up with a new IP that aims at everyone that they can think of., they have also released games that seems to target all 3 major markets almost equally well.

There are also some surprises, Red Steel actually sold better in OTHERS (Europe plus some other countries) than in the US, which is something that XBox 360's top sellers haven't been able to do so far, also Nintendo made a game with European gamers specifically in mind, Mario Strikers Charged, and we know Mario games are always significant as far as sales go.

What does this all mean? Maybe Wii is just a fad with gimicks, and other consoles will go down as great consoles in the history? Nintendo should focus more on hardcoregamers and system loyalists instead of everyone? Industry going to fallen apart or specific group of gamers will suffer? You deicde.

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#9 wiialltheway
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People who have played hundreds and thousands of games are most likely the ones who have "bad taste" in gaming, because the more games you play, the more likely the almighty "Gamespot Score Average" is going to turn out to be lower.

People who only played a handful of online games such as WoW, Everquest, etc, should be declared "Gamers who have great taste and knowledge".

Poeplewho only played Halo,Gears, Forza,COD, Madden, etc, are great gamers with great taste. People who played Final Fantasy, Shenmue, Mario Party, Wii Sports, Zelda, Sonic, Pokemon, Crash, Duck Hunt, Bubble Bubble and countless other games probably have bad taste judging from "professional reviews", so they are worse than the ones who have "great taste".

Obviously, I havevery poor taste in gaming, I don't mind to give anything at least a try, I admit ownage. :(

Kind of work the same for something like movies, people who kept on watching moviest hat got mediocre scores from "professional movie critics", definitely are the ones who have bad taste in movie. It's perfectly fine for anyone to watch the kind of movies that he or she enjoys, but I have no choice but to declare that the person has bad taste and no knowledge in movies, if most of the movies the person saw during his lifetime didn't get great scores from "professional movie critics".

I hope what I just said makes perfect sense.

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#10 wiialltheway
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walking outside and breathing fresh air > playing video games

walking outside and breathing fresh air > sitting on the couch andstaring at the TV

I think I just discovered my new favorite hobby