[QUOTE="Udsen"]

[QUOTE="ozzsoad"]Yep, I'm having to transfer VC games on and off my SD card, and I still have 30 channels left. I really wish Nintendo would allow full use of the SD card in one of their next firmware updates.ozzsoad

Full use? Meaning you can't directly save files onto an SD card? Just transfer?

Meaning I don't have to transfer files back and forth. Meaning I can play VC games directly off an SD card. I don't really care about the save files, the Wii's internal memory is more than enough for that. I want it for VC games and upcoming WiiWare titles.

Yeah I wish this feature was present too. The way its set up now, a SD card doesn't do much except allow you to store VC games on it, which once you purchase you can redownload anytime you want, so that feature is a little redundant. It just allows you a way to recover a deleted game if you have lost internet access. And even if you store saved games on it, you have to transfer them back to the main memory for games to locate them. Doesn't make sense when the Photo Channel and Endless Ocean allow you to play music off of your SD card. They should allow games to save data on them and the Wii to play VC games off of it. Guess that would make it too much like a hard drive......lol, can't have that now can we? Then it wouldn't be "different".

What about a game like Carnival Games? This pretty much constitutes shovelware, and it's sold over a million copies worldwide. Mario Party 8 was pretty much generally skewered by critics, and it's sold like 4 million copies. Obviously a big part of that would be the Mario name, but when you think about the fact that a big name like Metroid has sold about on par with a game like Carnival Games (and obviously is being destroyed by Mario Party), it sends a message to developers that serious games aren't what's in demand on the Wii. The creator of No More Heroes (Suda 51) already commented on this, saying he was surprised how badly "hardcore" games sold on the system, and Capcom stated that they were thinking of doing a game like RE4 on the Wii, but opted for The Umbrella Chronicles because they thought it was more casual-friendly.

I still think shovelware's a problem, but it's a problem because in conjunction with the dearth of casual party games on the system, developers are starting to see that there's no reason to focus their efforts around more serious titles for the Wii. As someone who owns a Wii and wants to see more games on par with RE4, Zelda, and MP3, I think it's a shame.

SeanBond

Says a lot right there.

Also, if you're old enough thats great, if not research it, but remember what happend to the atari 2600 because of shovelware. Namely the wonderful game ET. Shovelware, if left unchecked, will eventually cripple a system. A system is known for the games you can play on it. And it will not survive with the revenue that these "god awful" games bring in. I agree with you that it will make some people into gamers that would have never become one, but what do those people do when there is nothing but shovelware games out there because the developers have forsaken the system, BECAUSE real hardcore games don't sell well? are they suppose to go out and buy a 360 or a PS3 that aren't completly invested with shovelware?

Its a double-edged sword. They become gamers because of the cheap shovelware games, and they give up gaming because thats the only thing that is released on their system and they tire of it. But thats the minority anyway, most people become gamers because they watch their brother or sister, or friends, playing a really cool game. The ones that start out on shovelware usually stay there until they get bored, never moving on to the better games.

You asked the question, "Why do you if shovelware exists?", and MY answer in a nutshell is because: If left unchecked, shovelware will destroy a system, its happened before, and it will happen again. The system will lose the support of the good developers, because of the shovelwar, and the system will fail on the revenues brought in by the cheap, bad games.

"MY answer" meaning its my opinion and its the reason i care whether or not shovelware exists. You asked and there's your answer. I know it doesn't "rock your face" or anything like that, but i don't care. :)

Atari 2600? ET? Shovelware? Turned out well? I'm just sayin........

Now that your face has been officially rocked, you may discuss.

Are you talking to one specific person in saying "You're wrong" or are you making a general blanket statement? But anyway, I would like to know why anyone would try to argue that, because there is a chance a bad game could be released on WiiWare, means Nintendo should monitor everything thats going to be posted and I guess, "block" "bad" games from being released. Has no one thats trying to make that point ever walked through a mall? People make crap all the time and sell it to the public. Thats the whole idea behind CHOICE. I don't remember who made the point, but who ever did was absolutely right: If you aren't interested in the game thats being sold, then you don't buy it. You're not going to be forced to play it. That's not really a hard thing to understand or wrap your head around. So I'm going to say that I agree with the point being made above in the original post, although I would never play Hannah Montana, I still have a brain that understands all the little girls who are obsessed with her are going to want to play her games and like them, whether I do or not.

And also facts may not lie, but statistics are always biased and off to some degree. They are never 100% accurate. To say a statistic is a fact, is kinda stretching it.

Well we're talking about a headset for a nintendo, not the way society runs. Its already out on the DS, and just like the DS, the parents can decide if they want their children to have it. not nintendo. Its an idividual choice.

[QUOTE="wilsn2019"]

You're a very bad debater. You are putting things into my statement I never said. And whats more funny is that its a typed statement so everyone knows. If you can't come up with a valid rebuttal, then don't make things up. It makes you look bad. For the record, I don't cuss period. Sorry you can't follow my point, others will be able to.

Jaysonguy

No, I'm just trying to waste as little time at this point so I'm cutting to the chase.

The whole point I'm making (so far today because I had to simplify it for some) is that Mario Kart is an E for everybody game. When you add online headsets it becomes M for mature because of the language.

So now you say well we just want to talk.

If that was the case you wouldn't have a problem with a contract that assures that's all you'll do

You on the other hand wont agree to not saying vulgar things.

So I'll ask you directly, would you agree not to say vulgar things when on the network?

The answer is yes, I already told you, whether you believe me or not, I do not cuss nor talk in vulgar ways. In everyday life, nor videogames online. I'm 24, its a descision i've made myself. I don't do it. But my point is that I should not be punished because someone somewhere will. The whole should not be punished to protect the few, not when options could be made available. even if they do release voice chat with mario kart, and people start cussing up a storm, you don't have to buy the headset. whats hard to understand about that?

So you'll use it for saying vulgar things.

Ok we know the point you're trying to make now

You're a very bad debater. You are putting things into my statement I never said. And whats more funny is that its a typed statement so everyone knows. If you can't come up with a valid rebuttal, then don't make things up. It makes you look bad. For the record, I don't cuss period. Sorry you can't follow my point, others will be able to.

[QUOTE="wilsn2019"]

No, he agrees with you. He doesn't "get it". There is nothing wrong with wanting the option to talk to people online while playing video games. And there are better solutions to protecting kids than telling EVERYONE that they can't have voice chat cause some kid somewhere might hear a cuss word. Stop acting like we're wrong for wanting options. Thats ridiculous.

Jaysonguy

So you'll agree to sign a contract that when you use the service you'll never say anything vulgar and if you do you're willing to pay some sort of punishment?

Say a fine of 500 dollars for the first outburst, 1000 for the next, and for the final strike it's a 3000 dollar fine plus loss of service?

I agree to play a service that has parental controls set up so that the PARENTS can be the ones making the desicions for their children. Not a bunch of peopel at Nintendo, nor a bunch of people on a forum. You didn't do anything but make my point over again. There is nothing wrong with wanting the option to do talk if we want. And we shouldn't be told we can't have it because some kid somewhere might hear a cuss word.

[QUOTE="supreuph"]

The most fascinating thing about any of this is that people are mad that nintendo hasn't istituted online chat. And? Why does everybody feel like they owe it to us to give us online chat? Because XBL has it? So! Who cares! The fact that XBL is best known for its online features AND the fact that it has the most offensive users serves the TC's point in why idiots online is such a problem for Nintendo. Is is possible that they could enhance parental controls, give disclaimers and such before using chat, and relinquish themselves of the responsibility? Yes. Would that keep Nintendo a family favorite? No. Honestly, kids get away with whatever they want to. Let's not sit here and pretend like we ourselves or friends of ours didn't try drugs, curse, look at porn, play offensive music, watch mature television, or go see rated R movies behind our parents' backs. So that "the parents shouldn't let nintendo raise their kids" arguement is a load of crap. My dad was very involved with me as I know so many parents are, and kids find a way to do what they want. So please stop that argument. If it can be done with voice chat, kids are gonna do it.

And the fact is that the easiest way to make sure that kids don't come across dirty language and idiot people online is to make it so they can't. It's that simple.

So this argument of whether or not nintendo could have a robust online is pointless. They could make a console to rival the PS3 in processing power. They could make dozens of new IPs instead of remaking their tried and true ones. They could silence all of these pro-voice chat people, make an extensive online network and leave the kids to be damned on the gaming network. But does that get them the respect of the parents who are buying this system? The company president tells us that they're focused on getting games into the hands of everyone 8 to 80. He never said anything about getting all of them online. So to assume that it's their focus to provide us with a flawless online system is bad, bad, very bad logic.

What we really have here is a bunch of people who have been spoiled by XBL which is provided by a company whose business it is to utilize and maximize the internet. They've found their niche doing so. Don't make their job nintendo's job because it's not.

bob_newman

The best post in this thread, bar none.

You get it, and I applaud you for it.

Not only do you "get it", but you "get" that santiagochile doesn't "get it".

Have a cookie.

No, he agrees with you. He doesn't "get it". There is nothing wrong with wanting the option to talk to people online while playing video games. And there are better solutions to protecting kids than telling EVERYONE that they can't have voice chat cause some kid somewhere might hear a cuss word. Stop acting like we're wrong for wanting options. Thats ridiculous.

No matter which side your on, the point of the matter is that we should have the freedom of choice. I agree that morrons play online and make all of us suffer through it on a regular basis. But I still have the option to either, ignore them, mute them, or report them. But to say that this is the reason Nintendo doesn't have a headset, whether true or false, is ridiculous.

I want the option of using a headset if I feel like it. I don't want Nintendo "protecting" me from idiots by telling me I can't have a headset, or don't need a headset. I can make that desicion myself, and so can the parents of every child that plays online games. Options are what its all about. We need the option to use the headset if we choose. Nintendo shouldn't be making the decision for every one of their consumers from age 5 to 80. Thats ridiculous. All that video does is back up the functions Xbox Live has implemented for just that situation. Whether or not people know how to use them is irrevelant. They are there and can be used to remedy those type situations and are there for that EXACT reason. Nintendo should do the same and follow with the same available countermeasures so those same situations can be reacted to accordingly, not make the desicion for us.