[QUOTE="lowkey254"][QUOTE="xxmatt125xx"][QUOTE="lowkey254"] The notion is that if you go against God then you are sinning. His way is the correct way, anything outside of that is sin. He never created it, but the action happened. But who is to say this is right in anyway shape or form and don't use ''well he's god'', his actions define him and his actions are messed up if you take the bible as 100% fact. No one is above their own laws because if they can't follow them how would he expect anyone else to. So you're telling me that I can't use "God is God" when that's the basis of my argument? Learn to debate what I've said and if you can't then don't debate. That being said, God is God, whatever lawsHhe creates are His, He's not broken one law, state one that He has. An easy one '' You shall not kill/murder'' he did plenty of that.
[QUOTE="lowkey254"][QUOTE="xxmatt125xx"][QUOTE="lowkey254"] No, sin is not a creation, sin is an act. A spiritual or physical act against God. But if he created everything he created the notion of sin he gave it meaning etc. The notion is that if you go against God then you are sinning. His way is the correct way, anything outside of that is sin. He never created it, but the action happened. But who is to say this is right in anyway shape or form and don't use ''well he's god'', his actions define him and his actions are messed up if you take the bible as 100% fact. No one is above their own laws because if they can't follow them how would he expect anyone else to.
[QUOTE="xxmatt125xx"]Another fault here, God the creator of everything would of created sin. It likes asking for onions on a burger when you don't like them, then getting angry when you start eating it.lowkey254
No, sin is not a creation, sin is an act. A spiritual or physical act against God. But if he created everything he created the notion of sin he gave it meaning etc.
[QUOTE="xxmatt125xx"] But he isnt simple as that, because a perfect being in everyway who created everything set in motion everything. Now if he was perfect he would know exactly what tiny change would have in the future. So either he is imperfect and created the world, or is perfect and designed the world with faults and when those faults start to shine he complains.jim_shorts
Of course he knew what the outcome of giving us free will was. That doesn't mean it was a fault or it wasn't planned.
So lets be clear here by this logic, he created people who would have no interest in god and yet have rules stating if you don't follow God you go to hell. Awesome logic. It is like raising your kid that 2 + 2 is 5 then it comes to test day they get the answer wrong and you punish them for it. Yeah that logic is messed up.
Another fault here, God the creator of everything would of created sin. It likes asking for onions on a burger when you don't like them, then getting angry when you start eating it.
[QUOTE="jim_shorts"] He didnt make an imperfect world. We made an imperfect world. And humans condemned themselves with their actions, God didn't arbitrarily decide to damn the human race. In fact, he very graciously offered us a way out.
jim_shorts
What actions? I really don't remember eating any forbidden fruit...
No, but we've all done a bad thing or two in our lives. God cannot tolerate anything less than perfection because he is perfect himself. But he isnt simple as that, because a perfect being in everyway who created everything set in motion everything. Now if he was perfect he would know exactly what tiny change would have in the future. So either he is imperfect and created the world, or is perfect and designed the world with faults and when those faults start to shine he complains.
[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="xxmatt125xx"] Another prime example of a total lack of freewill, pretty much if you don't follow him you are wicked ??? Also if God is all powerful and he does not require anything why does he need people to worship and honour him?? It doesn't make any sense. No, we are all wicked and it is by God's grace that any of us come to know his mercy. As far as God's need to be worshiped, no. He does not require our sacrifices but delights in our pleasure of him not because of his need but because of his want. But because of his want for worship, which means he desires it wants it envys those who has it, he will strike wrath on those who has it. In other words to furfil his greed.
[QUOTE="raynimrod"]More like, why would an omniscient God create sinners and sin in the first place...?
mindstorm
There are some things that are not explicitly stated in Scripture. Regardless, it can very well be said explicitly in Scripture that his plans are greater than our plans - even when we do not understand them.
So God never murdered? What exactly do you call the systematic killing of first borns in Egypt? HoolaHoopMan
To quote Ezekiel 33:11, "As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, people of Israel?" It is not God's desire to kill but to live a good and pleasing God-honoring life. Did the Egyptians do this? Another prime example of a total lack of freewill, pretty much if you don't follow him you are wicked ??? Also if God is all powerful and he does not require anything why does he need people to worship and honour him?? It doesn't make any sense.
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