[QUOTE="VanHalun040604"]

I'm so tired of people saying that...

What are the rest of the players in the NFL doing?  And even the boo-hooers have fun. 

By the way, how does Randy "boo-hoo"?

Herrdoktor

Who would you rather have your kids look up to as a football player?

Brett Favre or Randy Moss.  Case closed.

Case closed ?!?!

gee... a pill poping alcoholic, who puts himself above his team, or a guy who phones it in alot, and smokes some weed. Hmmmm. I wonder.  and frankly if your child 'looks up' to a football player. youve probaly failed as a parent.  

[QUOTE="yamabushi98"]

Assinine - possibly. Cheap shot - sure, why not. BS - hardly. Bruschhi IS putting football above his family. please tell us all, how is he putting his family before football ??Herrdoktor

How is he putting it above his family?
His friggin' wife told him to play.
If it was a mutual job between the both of them, that's hardly picking one of the other.

This is his job.  Literally. 
He's not saying/showing that one is any better than the other.

Is a cop putting his job over his family everytime he gets into his cruiser?
By your logic, yes.

comparing a millionare football player to a cop is so, totally assinine, Its left me speechless, almost,  unfortunatly , like most of us, if a cop had a stroke, or whatever, HES STILL GOT BILLS TO PAY,  Bruschi on the other hand, doesnt need to work another day in his life, if he doesnt want to. This isnt a job for him, its a hobby.

and , again , no one is ?'ing his right to do whatever the hell he wants. he could go play russian roulette for all i care.  but trying to defend his decision as being either the right or smart thing to do, is Ludicrous.

[QUOTE="yamabushi98"][QUOTE="VanHalun040604"]

[QUOTE="Rage11"]This season will prove how good a player Randy Moss is, and how underrated he is. I'm even starting to think Daunte Culpepper is not the QB we all thought he was...but it was Moss making him look good all alongVanHalun040604

Yeah....he definitely does blow, man.  Looks like his career may unfortunately be over or at least take a dramatic turn for the worse with that devastating knee injury.

yeah, its too bad I liked daunte , but whats the problem with Moss? he on pace for 63 recptions + 7-8 TD. not good.

He got injured...and I'm not so sure the Raiders really know how to use him. He'll probably get over a thousand yards and over 10 TDs by the end of the season, though. 

Im no raiders fan, but i like Moss, unfortunately N. Turner is a horrible coach, I had to put up with him in washington for a few years , until hes out i wouldnt hold out much hope for the black + silver

[QUOTE="yamabushi98"]I'm sooo sick of Brett Favre a$$ kissers  some body , please , tell me what hes done that so F'ing great (and dont give me that games started crap, thats not great thats just stupidity)Ryan166

What's greater than a super bowl win and 3 MVP awards? Name one thing.

MVPs as ive stated before are subjective and worthless way to judge talent .. and see my post in 'underachievers' about all the scrubs that won 1 superbowl.

[QUOTE="yamabushi98"]

MVPs: meaningless

wallymartin

The rest I can see a valid point on, but MVP awards being meaningless?  Winning the MVP means that you are THE best player in the league.  Sure, it offers no real rewards except for pride, but being named as the best player in the NFL 3 times(a record) certainly does mean something.

To me MVP means 'most valuable' as in  ; if that player was lost , what would the team do without them.

Being important to your team and being the best in the league are 2, very, different things. Hence : meaningless, because theres just too much argument over what a MVP is in the 1st place,  too subjective.

plus about 90% of MVPs are QBs so its a pretty skewed award to begin with. and 1 he shared with Barry Sanders  

[QUOTE="Rage11"]This season will prove how good a player Randy Moss is, and how underrated he is. I'm even starting to think Daunte Culpepper is not the QB we all thought he was...but it was Moss making him look good all alongVanHalun040604

Yeah....he definitely does blow, man.  Looks like his career may unfortunately be over or at least take a dramatic turn for the worse with that devastating knee injury.

yeah, its too bad I liked daunte , but whats the problem with Moss? he on pace for 63 recptions + 7-8 TD. not good.

[QUOTE="Toucanbird"]

Someone has to come in here and state their opinion of this topic because it is obvious that we are at an impass.

wallymartin

Okay, I'll bite.

Now, Jim Kelly was a great QB.  He led the Bills to 4 consecutive Super Bowls.  Jim Kelly of course, is not a legend, except for in the Buffalo area.

Dan Marino was also a great QB, and he would be the prime example to combat Vanhalun's policy of "Legend by Success".  Marino was a legend, but simply stating that is no way to argue/debate, so I will compare Favre and Marino.

Marino had seasons of 48 and 44 TDs, threw for 30+ TD 4 times, leading the league in TDs 3 times and winning the MVP twice.  He went to 1 Super Bowl, but did not win.  He holds the records for most career passing yards and TDs.  He passed for 3,000 yards in a season 13 times and 4,000 yards 6 times.

Brett Favre's two best TD seasons were 39 and 38.  He has passed for 30+ TDs 8 times, leading the league in TD passes 4 times and winning the MVP 3 times.  He went to 2 Super Bowls and won 1.  He is currently ranked second in both career yards and TDs(to Marino, obviously).  He has passed for 3,000 yards in a season 13 times as well and 4,000 yards 4 times.

Those are straight facts, and you can't fight facts.  Anyone would have a hard time saying that Marino isn't a legend, as the sports community widely views him as just that.  Favre's numbers are very similar to his.

Keep in mind that Farve beat out Elway, Young, Aikman, and even though he was well-passed his prime, Marino for those MVP awards.  He was also one of the most mobile QBs of the time, which means he probably got hit more than your average QB would.  So, yes, his streak of 212 straight starts does have importance because he would take more hits than your average QB.  Brett may even have God on his side(Have you seen the video of the first time he was sent out to hold an extra point kick?  He let go of the ball, and it stood straight up, no tee).

Favre is a legend, or...I guess will be is more appropriate, IMO.

yeah those are facts, just facts

passing records: of course he has some , hes playing long after he should have retired and continues to rack up numbers.

starts:  on any other team he would have been sat on more than a few occasions. Favre runs that team like Kobe runs the lakers. plus he was addicted to pain pills and alcohol , so im sure that helped

conference wins: big whoop, since the 85 bears the NFC north SUCKS, big time.  

MVPs: meaningless

super bowl (singular) : you know how many QBs have won 1 superbowl , and how legendary they are? no , lets look,

Brad Johnson, Trent dilfer ,Kurt warner, Steve young, Mark Rypien, Doug Williams, Jim Mcmahon, Joe Thiesmann, Ken stabler

wow thats legendary company , and Ill be the 1st to admit it ; Brett Favre is better than Mark Rypien.